Sometimes I just like thinking of these games from Edgeworth’s Point of View
October 6, 2014
2:54 am
I love how Edgeworth just gave up in Dual Destinies, like “of course he’s fucking doing that, he’s Phoenix”.
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You can’t complain Edgeworth. Phoenix got you off the hook with a PARROT. So deal with it.
This really should end every argument any prosecutor has ever made when they lob a snide remark in Nick’s general direction about his capabilities as an attorney.
“Amate–”
“WITH A PARROT!”
“…that’s gonna get old sooner or later.”
“But not in the foreseeable future” *Phoenix’s smug hands-on-hips pose*
“Heh. Trite–”
“Stop calling me that.”
“What?”
“I mean, it’s not like I defeated a prosecutor with a 40-year win streak CROSS-EXAMINING A PARROT OR ANYTHING. Or his prodigy children thrice over. Clearly you’re going to be the guy to beat me.”
The funny thing is, the games portray Phoenix as this bumbling buffoon that apparently fails as many cases as he wins, even if these all happen off-screen. So really, the guy isn’t this amazing “Wins every case ever” superman of the lawyerworld, and is also why the rest of the world keeps doubting his ass thrice over with everything he does. Not to mention that he dabbles in spirituality.
Imagine how -weird- that would be, seen from an outsider’s perspective. You got this crapshoot lawyer that has a rumor for dragging animals into the court and “supposedly” winning the cases by the use of these animals. Oh, and he can talk with ghosts and tell that people are lying by the use of magic stones. And these, mind, are the cases that Phoenix -wins-.
It might just make you wonder if this isn’t the same thing Von Karma was doing. Except in reverse.
My interpretation, and I don’t actually play the game so keep that in mind, is that Pheonix loves seemingly hopeless cases. He loses a lot cause he’s so damned attracted to shit that no other lawyer would have a prayer at, and even for him are iffy.
Well, keep in mind that no matter how much the translations say that they take place in America, it’s all pretty obviously set in Japan, which has a terrifyingly high conviction rate ( <99% ) compared to other countries (America averages 93%, with some states being as low as 64%, and the UK averages at 80%). No defense lawyer has a prayer in Japan, and Phoenix isn’t disproportionately unlucky, to have won as many as he has in such a short time, he’d have to be fantastically lucky.
(correction, >99%)
I like Awkward Zombie’s take on the localization issue:
http://www.awkwardzombie.com/index.php?page=0&comic=120913
I was wondering when someone would bring that up :D
Don’t forget that in the Phoenix Wright legal system, in order to win a case the defense has to:
1) Prove the defendant innocent.
2) Find the actual culprit (the judge has said at least once that he knows the client is innocent but can’t find them not guilty if he doesn’t know who to convict instead).
3) Prove the actual culprit guilty (dunno why this never applies to the actual defendants…).
4) Cross-examine the actual culprit.
5) Convince him or her to confess.
Oh, and the defense attorney isn’t allowed to call witnesses and the prosecutor can ban them from cross-examining or presenting evidence.
The prosecutors with perfect records are actually stunningly incompetent. Considering that they’re willing to lie and falsify evidence, one wonders why they never bother… not calling a witness–guaranteed victory, since the defense isn’t allowed to do things and loses by default.
It’s literally impossible to win a case. By winning a single one EVER Wright has done the impossible.
Oh, and the trial happens the day after the crime, if that much time is allowed to pass.
Quick question: are we counting Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney as canon here? Because if so, you don’t necessarily have to prove the defendant innocent-just let her jump into a pit of flames instead! [also see the last case in Justice for All]
That’s what I thought too, except the ending to Justice For All implies that he’d never lost a single case, with one exception. After the fact, Franziska says “You lost! Your perfect win record has now been crushed!”
…except that’s contradicted (har har har) earlier in the game (the Big Top case) when Maya looks at all the awards the Ringmaster won and said they could display their won cases like that. Then…
“What about the cases we’ve lost?”
“Let’s just pretend they didn’t exist.”
What I’ve noticed more often is that Phoenix doesn’t take that many cases, in actuality – the intro to case 3-3 (the Tres Bien one) said that Phoenix had a lot of cases but took none of them, until approached directly by Gumshoe.
That doesn’t mean that the only cases you play as him are the only cases he does, but… still, it is a bit weird that he doesn’t take that many and still manages to win most of them.
Man I’m confused.
That’s what has always confused me about AA. There are times when they flat out tell you the last case you played is the last case Phoenix took but during other times it’s hard to tell. There’s the running joke in all the games that the Agency only gets cases every few months (like they are spaced in the games).
I like to think he was talking metaphorically. IT resolves alot of the plot holes.
Also, worth noting!
In Japan, unlike America, they tend to only bring you to court in the first place if they are CONFIDENT they can prove your guilt, so more then 90% of the time the prosecution wins, it makes Pheonix’ winning at ALL impressive.
What happens otherwise, they just get let off?
Also in Dual Destinies, Phoenix is actually respected as a highly successful defence attorney. Even though he should be highly suspected due to the events from Apollo Justice.
I always thought that he is more like a socially awkward bunny-ears lawyer. He is good, but he just can’t play it cool or professional enough to win the respect of his peers despite his impressive record. Especially because he is very easy to push around until everything seem to click together. I bet a lot of them take him for a fool because he is “most unorthodox” without even giving a second glance to his achievements.
HA!
Free Willy (he’s innocent)!
LOLs :D
Nice work Coelasquid, your Dick is really cute, can’t wait to see the full color version
That… I know what you meant, but that didn’t come out right, did it…?
Wow, full color went from cute to actually hot. Don’t know if he is as manly as the other guys around here but I approve
So glad it wasn’t just me thinking that!
I’d love to see Coela’s take on Dojima and Kanji, the two manliest men from Persona 4. Kanji’s one of the school age kids but just like Jotaro, he doesn’t look it! As for Dojima, he’s weirdly hot. He’s also a detective. Something about that shirt and tie…
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Daaaaang, Gumshoe is looking hot there.
This just reminds me I need to catch up on the ace attourney franchise, I’ve missed like the last two games.
I don’t know who these two characters are, but I choose to imagine they are a couple.
Man, so have I. And I’m still on the last case of Investigations. I should get back to that.
What. This one posted as a reply to the wrong comment. It should’ve gone to the one above it.
I know who they are and I still choose to believe that because they’re adorable and Gumshoe is a big dolt but Edgeworth basically needs him to function.
Really? I always thought it was the other way around.
Gumshoe: We found a spy cam in the enormous stuffed teddy bear! I’m going to check every electronic store in town and see who bought it! *scamper*
Edgeworth: Gumshoe, wait! It’s be more expedient to ask the maker of the giant teddy bear! It’s custom made!
Phoenix: …
Edgeworth: *sigh* I’ll tell you my findings tomorrow in court, Wright…
Gumshoe’s like an earnest over-excited puppy but if you play that investigations game from Edgeworth’s POV they make all his brooding silences out to be a product of him being clueless around other humans and having no idea what to say. It’s like… he’s there to try to keep Gumshoe in line and doing his job and Gumshoe is there to keep him grounded. Like how when everyone thought he’d killed himself in the second game (either because he intentionally wanted them to think that or because he’s so stunted at the art of human interaction he didn’t realize how suicide-y his note sounded) Gumshoe was the one he trusted enough to let in on what was happening.
Gumshoe’s like the service dog there to absorb the brunt of his eccentricities so he can go on giving everyone else the impression he’s all cool and aloof.
I’ll admit, my personal headcanon is that Gumshoe is actually quite competent, he’s just only good at actual normal police cases and not the beyond insane cases he’s forced to deal with. I do think him and Edgey make a cute couple though…
I didn’t think anyone except the player was meant to think suicide, sorry for late response haven’t read these since that one with The Iron Bull in it and am catching up again
I never noticed they’re much more like Sherlock and Watson than Wright and his myriad of assistants ever will be.
I mean, neither of them still quite fit the bill, but the “antisocial genius with fiercely loyal everyman partner” trope is very much in play here.
Edgeworth/Gumshoe was always my favorite (not-)couple.
Personally, I always found Edgeworth and Gumeshoe’s relationship funnier if it was purely platonic.
Badge? Isn’t he a lawyer? I literally get all my information about these games from this comic, see.
http://aceattorney.wikia.com/wiki/Attorney%27s_badge
Lawyers in Japan (and in the Ace Attorney games) wear a small badge on their lapel. Edgeworth has one too, but he doesn’t wear it for some reason.
Prosecutors badges are gaudy. And Edgeworth would never wear anything Gaud-::looks at the Ascott:: Oh wait.
Hey man, that ascot is stylish.
It’s not an ascot. It’s a cravat. And if anything, he’s toned it down over the years. Don’t forget how silly his prosecutorial debut jacket was.
His mentor said it was more chic to keep it in his pocket.
Also, hi Gumshoe. Great to see you again after mysteriously vanishing after AA3; we’ve missed you.
MILES EDGEWORTH I VANT SOMETHING FROM ZE VENDING MACHINE
At least they aren’t wearing wigs…
That is the most handsome Gumshoe I have ever seen and I’m ok with this. He’s easily my favorite secondary character and it’s a shame he wasn’t in part 5. Here’s hoping he turns up again soon.
What, does Edgeworth not think Orcas deserve fair and equal representation?
Racist.
i really shouls start playing this attorney games….
*should
*these
damn, have been a long time since i practiced….this little stupid mistakes are pilling up…
*has
*the
*piling
I think that this comic is hysterical and I’ve never played the games.
I’ve always had a thing for Gumshoe, but damn if he doesn’t look really hot there.
Now this is making me want a game where Chief Prosecutor Miles Edgeworth tries desperately to arrange a court case that isn’t completely wacky and fails every time.
Maybe if they allowed for more than a half a day of investigation before starting the trials–just a thought…
Well that part isn’t Edgeworth’s fault and I’m sure he’s doing whatever he can to change that anyway.
Third panel: someone has driven that pencil deep behind Gunshoe’s ear.
fun fact I forgot to draw all the pencils after the third panel and ended up cheating them in at the last possible second with dashes on a stroke layer to make it look like I’d actually drawn and inked something there.
Karma is quick to revenge shoes on chesterfield.
Hoo-boy… Edgy needs to take a much deserved vacation from the office… Southern France sounds about right for him. :)
I don’t think I’ve ever left a comment on your comics before, but I wanted to say that you absolutely nailed this one. Dual Destinies was an amazing game and I loved how you worked it all together with the dialogue in this comic. Well done and thank you!
This comic gives me the biggest case of the warm fuzzies and I’m not even certain why.
on orca
I now have this image of Phoenix Wright riding into the courtroom on an orca because of this typo.
Loving these AA5 comics.
Edgeworth helped out a ninja… who became a prosecuting attorney? Hm, I shouldn’t be surprised, but… I’m more surprised at that than Wright representing a whale.
He’s technically a prosecutor who’s a huge samurai-obsessed nerd but I feel like Gumshoe would call him a ninja.
guys remember its anime…
NOTHING is supposed to make sense. i mean look at trauma center….
It’s not anime, but the sentiment applies As for Trauma Center… it’s like Operation on steroids. In some instances of gameplay, you gotta imagine that hospital has a terrible emergency patient life expectation.
And then there’s the cases where the patient dies even when by all accounts they shouldn’t! Like the patient dying just because you keep messing up applying the bandage. Or worse! Picture the following.
You have just finished a long arduous operation. It was difficult, there were a couple of close shaves, but the threat against the patient has been neutralized and the vitals are looking good. You’ve just sewn the patient up, sutured the incision and have almost finished applying the bandage when… TIME HAS RUN OUT! Angie yells that you have killed the patient and you’re all like WTF ANGIE?! The patient is not going to die just because I need an extra second to affix the bandage!!
That’s basically what happened either during X:Kyriaki or Paraskevi. Arrrgghh hate the time limit so much.
Err… by “suture the incision”, I mean “disinfect”.
What I find more jarring is the game over screen. You have a 100% perfect record (as far as the story is concerned), and then when working on another person who has an incurable illness, the virus that is apparently a physical manifestation of pure evil jumps out and starts stabbing the patient to death, and there are 40 of them now. But if you fail it always goes “And anyone who saw his last operation would agree, he should never have been operating in the first place”.
It’s like… What?
Not only that but he’s also a convicted murderer. Haha, it really is a funny situation Edgeworth has gotten himself into.
Good to know that someone in Ace Attorney is frustrated by the shenanigans.
Now I’m imagining Miles having to deal with the Manly company…group thing’s shenanigans. “Is this the case file? An undead soldier from Ancient Greece was hired at an electronics store where he proceeded to demolish one of the floor models with a customer’s face?” “Yep.” “This is bizarre but will be easy to settle.” Then Phoenix gets him off by getting testimony from the (remaining) Greek Gods and Commander Badass, plus somehow proving the customer had stolen stuff from the store.
If this turns into an ACFA reference i think i would be glued to this comic for all time.
I would assume Gumshoe would have some slight salt-and-pepper hair and a full beard by the time of Dual Destinies.
And no that just not me wanting him to have that hot look since forever…nope not at all.
I’ve come back to this one several times this week, and I keep laughing exactly as hard as the first time when I see Edgeworth in the last panel.
“Of course! OF COURSE!” *snrk*
My favorite part of this comic isn’t the excellent art or coloring or movement, but the fact that Edgeworth says ‘favours’.
Your favourite part is one word that has a different Canadian spelling compared to the US? From a Canadian artist?
I feel like…you’ve gotten a lot better at drawing East Asian people recently. I used to be kind of put off by how you used to draw us, to be honest. But nowadays you’re putting in a lot more variety in the faces and a lot less….”yellowtone” (for lack of a better word). Also there’s a lot less “all of them have exaggeratedly slanted eyes” than before, which is a trapping most other non-Asian artists tend to fall into still.
Anyway it’s really cool. It’s nice to see that there actually ARE a few white artists who are seriously trying really hard in this regard.
It’s always been important to me to try to not just shit the bed on the diversity front, try to learn from things I get wrong and improve. I’m apologize if I made you uncomfortable in the past, though. Some of that comes from me being generally bad at drawing real people if I don’t get a couple passes at them to figure out what translates into a malleable character that matches the style of the rest of the world, like, Commander’s brother is supposed to look like Daniel Dae Kim and I still haven’t gotten lock on how to translate his specific brand of handsome into a drawing. Good looking people especially I always drop the ball on because it’s harder to make goofy, rubbery features read as “attractive and statuesque”.
I can’t wait for you to play Professor Layton VS. Phoenix Wright. That’s a whole new level of giving up.