He’s just a boy
March 19, 2012
12:00 am
Thanks to everyone who stopped by the table at Wondercon! I know it was very spur-of-the-moment, but it was awesome meeting you! And it always warms the cockles of my heart when people have been following me online long enough to want a drawing of Blue or Daggett. (And big thanks to Kel for the awesome Sorcery 101 book!)
This week’s comic is for everyone who’s ever shot a gun in real life and had to listen to someone say doing it in a game is a comparable experience.
Been reading from the start and I’ve never been sold on Jared as a character until this comic. That second-last panel is wonderful.
I hope you find the time to colour this! =D
Are you kidding? He’s the everyman that aspires to be the manly guy! What’s not to like? Except maybe Mr. Fish who is why we read the comic to begin with!
haven’t seen mr.fish in a while…
Well, this bloody arc seems to encroach the rest of the comic. Such is the power of pretty boys…
Mr Fish was in this arc, though– near the beginning of February, looking like blue Falcor.
Now that it’s colored, I’m really noticing (and digging) the contrast between panel-4-Jared and panel-6-Jared.
The Gackt is kicking in
He still has hope if he can make his X-box achievements face.
I shall always be the jared of life ALWAYS!!!!!
“The Jared of life” Oh, man, thats so… so…
SO BEAUTIFUL! OoO
That’s it, I’m changing my name now. I shall be known as “Professional Jared” :D
In that case, I call Professional Mole!
Can I be Professional Mr. Fish?
As long as I keep my title I shall allow professional jared.
Glad you pointed out that guns in video games are nothing like guns in real life. I’m so sick of the murder simulator argument. As someone who has shot targets in both real life and video games for anyone curious, no, they do not train you for live fire.
Not at all. And watching gamers experience shotgun recoil for the first time is hilarious.
…Blow guns are actually pretty similar to video games, though. Only notable difference is breath control, as long as you’re playing games that account for gravity.
You know, they did a study a few years back where they took a gamer, a young one, and gave him a gun. He was all excited to shoot the targets he was given until he started. Then the recoil, the noise, everything made him drop the weapon and go cry for his mom.
I think all gamers should go into the scouts and grab a rifle or a shotgun and learn that they’re very much different than their video game counterparts in a safe environment.
I think you’re talking about the Pen & Teller Bullshit episode about video game violence. I think you’re giving him kind of a bad wrap, he wasn’t some ecksbawks live tough guy who got humbled and ran to him mom, he was a shy little kid, who, if I’m remembering correctly, was very intimidated by the whole experience to begin with, and started crying after they finished and asked him what he thought of the experience. It was a pretty moving sequence if only because the kid was so vulnerable and sooo… not the “gamer” stereotype.
That was a great episode. Especially the part where they compared playing video games to playing football, and all the real injuries kids get from the latter.
I meant no disrespect to the guy. I was just using him as a point of example to say that he was not ready for that kind of power a gun has, and reacted realistically. I had no issue with the kid, but I still think we need to let the video game gunmen hold a real gun in a safe environment to show them how much different they are. When I was a child, I cried when I first fired a gun myself, I was surprised and shocked.
you all seem to be assuming we gamers all have any intention of ACTUALLY shooting anything, I for one, am a gamer, and do not intend to actually shoot anything…and why the hell do you people keep talking about guns being fired by children…seriously, there is a reason those things say to KEEP THE F*** AWAY FROM CHILDREN…stop giving them to them…sheesh…
Or, better still, take your children to the range and teach them all about guns. Especially which end is the business end and how you ought not point it at anyone or anything that you care about, ever. Showing a child what a fired round can do to a watermelon and making the analog to a headshot gets the message across pretty fast.
Well said, Fren! I have made the exact same point several times! I remember learning what a tiny .22 bullet could do to an apple and a soda can. The apple? Instant applesauce.
I remember when I first learned about .22 safety in the scouts, How those teeny little bullets were more deadly than those high-velocity rounds because once they enter the body, they decelerate so fast that they can’t pierce back out and instead just bounce around screwing up organs
I had fun with the Lee Einfields in Cadets myself, I play shooter type games sometimes but really, I can’t say I’ve ever had more than the passing thought to actually use a firearm in any means other than range-firing. Airsoft or Paintball, those two are pretty nasty ways to get acclimated to the philosophy of ‘Shooting Hurts’ if you’re really feeling sadistic.
Yeah, no, that’s absolutely the best way to explain how dangerous guns are to kids, demonstrate a headshot to ’em. In fact, more children should know the term “headshot.” I find that shockingly few 8-year olds truly appreciate the art of the kill.
Freakin’ North America, we’re like Vikings without all the subtlety.
I don’t know, I got to shoot a gun when I was a small children. My mom insisted on it to make sure I knew how important gun safety is. As a result, my mom and her friends were all able to have hunting rifles in their homes and me and my friends never had an incident. It all depends on the child and the parent. I support gun training for everyone though. Safety reasons and all.
And I know the majority of gamers are not going to go shoot anything. Most gamers just want to have an experience to relax and let loose to relieve stress. I know I’ve played GTA for that reason. I’m just biased because of my love of wild game, so I have to hunt for that deer. And a real life experience to enhance your gaming can be a lot of fun, or horrifying depending on your age. :P
As an “ecksbawkks live” gamer, I can honestly say I love shooting both in VR and IRL. That’s all. That was my two cents. Carry on.
Agreed. Two very different and very enjoyable experiences.
As a gamer who has always been really good at both games like Halo and those police-trainer type arcade games, this is actually something I’ve really always wanted to do, just never gotten around to. I mean, I think I have the hand-eye coordination to be decent at it… eventually. No doubt the first time I actually fired a real gun the recoil would make me drop it.
9mm handguns in my experience don’t actually make you drop them the first time. Just use both hands and expect the recoil. Make sure you have a firm grip on the pistol before you pull the trigger.
Depending on which fps they play most often, gamers might actually be a bit prepared by the game for real guns. In any game where attention is payed to the actual workings of the firearm, the accuracy is incredible. I point to Battlefield 3. Until that game came out all but one of my gamer friends had experience with real guns from before they got into games. He’d never shown much interest, but after a few weeks playing that Battlefield, decided he wanted us to teach him. So we took him out to teach him to shoot. Shotgun, rifle, handgun, he was as good as the best of us his first time out with only a bit of instruction.
That’s more of a testament to his aptitude for learning than to video games being any kind of simulation for real guns. Even just the weight and mechanics of it. I mean, I’ve never played battlefield but I as far as I know it doesn’t prepare you for a jams and recoil. I shot a .38 magnum once in my life, and with the kickback on that, as far as I know the bullet ended up in the roof of the shooting range shack we were in.
Conversely, I was playing House of the Dead 4 in an arcade, and holding the gun properly and aiming with the sight was more of a detriment to my playing than anything. The aim on that thing was so far off you basically had to use it like a Wiimote.
Well, it piqued his interest in learning how to use a real weapon, anyway.
I have to admit – most of my civilian buddies only got into firearms they were interested in from video games. Most of them don’t like the shotgun, but like the FAMAS. Some insisted in trying it, and now one actually joined SWAT to handle a FAMAS all the time.
I give video games credit for getting people interested in certain real world things, for sure. And providing some skill for certain tasks. Such as thinking outside the box.
Gaming also increases one’s hand eye coordination and boost one’s visual information skills. A study performed at the University of Rochester in New York showed that gamers are more aware of their surroundings while performing certain tasks such as driving down a residential street and would pick up a child chasing after a ball faster than a non-gamer would.
It didn’t just get him interested, it really helped him learn. There’s certain basic stuff that almost always has to be drilled into people who have never handled guns before (trigger discipline, muzzle control, what to do in the event of a jam), and with no research on his part outside of studying the way it worked in the game, he knew most of that stuff. The only thing we had to talk him through was using a safety.
To be fair though, a game where your SAW jams on every third round wouldn’t be very fun. Neither would a game of realistic firefights where you’re never quite sure who you’re shooting at and you can easily die by completely random chance.
I learned to shoot pretty young, and it completely failed to prepare me for playing video games.
I come across far fewer people who feel games prepared them to properly saw logs than shoot guns.
Squad automatic weapon
That’s because they never played “Action Lumberjack!” Play as Canada guy through the Canadian Rockies! Wrestle bears! Saw logs with a giant three bladed CHAINSAW! Fight the Commander to the death on his ex-wife’s back lawn! Sweep a diesel powered axe through the forest and hit a squirrel!
All this and more with ACTION LUMBERJACK! Rated M for iMmature!
I would pay real money for that game.
Me too. Okay, game designers, here our cries!
.357 magnum :)
or a .38 special +p
There is no .38 magnum.
.357 magnum :)
or a particularly hot .38 special (+p or +p+ maybe).
There isn’t a .38 magnum
actually, while battlefield 3 doesnt,
far cry 2, DOES, theres recoil, muzzle climb and jamming etc.
(but personally, the best thing about far cry 2 was the fire mechanic, it meant i was armed with weapons designed specifically for attacking opponents where they cant see you, or, for causing maximum disruption and taking them out before they can respond
it was, and still is, the druganov, the flare pistol and either a LMG or rocket launcher,
basic tactics involved setting fire to the areas where enemies where standing,let the flames cause maximum chaos and destruction, burning enemies disabling vehicles, causing explosions etc.
a gamer or at least a half decent one is at the very least aware of factors like muzzle climb, making sure your not out of ammunition, the importance of cover (depending on the game)
muzzle climb and such, and partly, the need to conserve ammunition.
though im not sure how jared could possibly be so bad as to hold it upside down.
i mean, is not like its a medieval handgonne which was just a metal tube on the end of a stick.
I’m sorry but that’s like saying that playing games like Skyrim or Skyward Sword make kids grabs swords and able to use them properly. it doesn’t….and swords are easier to use than guns…I’ve used both I know.
Ever fenced? Most kids who play swords use wispy little sticks… approximately the length of a “short-sword” (The kind of sword we know from fantasy games, I know it’s not actually called a short-sword), the width of a pencil, and the weight of a pinky finger.
Real swords are a lot wider, even a rapier, and a lot heavier. Even the lightest, thinnest Japanese swords. Can’t whip those about, and even scoring a simple hit on your opponent’s BLADE can be tough. I picked up a much larger, heavier piece of wood that I swing about (1.5″ diameter branch, roughly 3 feet length), and it’s a lot harder to aim – and it’s not even as heavy as a real sword. Or difficult.
I don’t know if you DO fence, or not, but saying a sword is easy to use, is a total lie. OK, you’re not saying that. But people think it is easy, and they. are. totally. wrong.
Though Skyward Sword is a lot more accurate to swords then “Press B to attack”; And with some styles of fencing, just a little twitch like that is what you need to win. Some styles. Maybe one. That uses plastic swords.
Calling fencing “using a sword” is rather misleading. That’s like calling Annie Oakley-esque trick-shooting “using a gun”.
As for what’s easier?
Put a watermelon on a 4 foot tall post. Now bust it open with a sword (or a baseball bat.)
Repeat, but this time with a handgun at 10 paces and judge for yourself.
Fencing is an aristocratic sort of swordfighting, used by nobles in duels. These duels often ended in fatalities. If that isn’t pretty cool swordfighting, and not Hollywood bull, I don’t know what to say to you other than LEARN YOUR SHIT.
Fencing is the art of swordfighting with either an saber, rapier or a foil. These are very different weapons than the medieval broadsword…
Modern fencing doesn NOT learn you how to use a sword, but how to hit certain points, follow certain rules, and all in all, it is the same to the well known medieval swordfighting as target shooting is to combat drills…
It’s one thing to hit a stationary target, but the level of difficulty substantially increases when it comes to moving targets. For an inexperienced gunner, it can be hard to keep the gun trained on a moving target, no matter how much coordination you have. For swordsmen, especially those who don’t use shields in their discipline, the ability to read your opponent is imperative, as missing a strike or falling for a feint can be fatal.
Um, smashing a watermelon with a sword and fighting with a sword are about as far removed from one another as being able to hammer a nail is from being a carpenter.
I don’t pretend to be an expert, but i did do join this thing last year that is called the Society for Creative Anachronism which is a group of people who pretend to be ancient warriors like Knights and samurai. The wooden swords they use are actually fairly accurate to the weight of a real blade ( I would know that considering I collect real swords as a hobby) and actual sword fighting is very difficult because its more than just swinging. The proper motion of a sword strike starts in the waist then the motion transfers to the shoulder and down through your arm to your wrist. If not done properly you’ll most likely end up hitting your opponent with the flat side of the blade or miss entirely. Another thing that people don’t seem to realize is armor weight added to the sword. The group I was in used actual armor pieces for safety reasons and they gave me the smallest and lightest armor they had and after an hour my entire body was numb from the weight. I think I remember reading somewhere that a medieval knight in full plate had approximately 80 – 100 and some pounds of armor on. So in short video games do not teach to sword fight either, not even games like Skyward Sword and Red Steel 2 that have decent sword controls. (BTW this is my first post and this comic really cheers me up after 8 am physics lectures)
HAhahahahaahoohoohhoh…oh..hah..games prep you for real weapons, oh you kill me! I haven’t laughed that hard in a while, thank you for the…oh, wait..
YOU WERE SERIOUS?!?!?!?!?!
Except how many video game players are going to remember to not breath in?
I’ve only ever fired a shotgun from a hip stance.
Its a hell of a kick. But it just puts such a grin on the face. :D
Now while I suck with shotguns, I was pretty capable of handling a Glock 38C, with the stronger .45’s. That thing was intuitive and didn’t jam up. Better still, even someone like me, who’s never fired a pistol before, could outshoot a marine in accuracy, and rival his grouping. I am not making that up.
Now if Jared would just take his finger off the trigger, I could suggest giving him any sort of firearm…
I’ve fired a handgun, but I’m sure I know less than half of what I need to know for an assault rifle or whatever Jared’s holding.
I’ve fired a .22 rifle and a shotgun…and that was in boy scouts XD
I got a huge bruise from the recoil of the shotgun
I can’t fire handguns worth crap but I’m awesome with rifles
My family taught me how to handle rifles but not handguns because they thought that the handguns were too dangerous
And sniping! Let’s not forget sniping! The Mythbusters have taught me that REAL sniping is nothing like video games! Aiming at the head is a guarantee miss on long distance stealthy headshots!
That’s why there are mil dots on scopes. To accurately hit at range.
Of course, a good sniper always has a spotter, who measures degrees, wind speed and down range distance. In the military, being a great sniper is a two-man operation.
Yeah, Snipers are one of the most wildly exaggerated jobs by the media. aside from the two-man team thing, it’s there’s also the whole idea that they’re out there sniping off any old person, trying to put more notches in their belt when it’s more of a “take out one very important person and get out of there so you don’t have to slaughter all the underlings in a fire fight” kind of job.
Well, except for Simo Häyhä.
“The White Death”
Like that episode from Halo Legends :D!?
“take out one very important person and get out of there so you don’t have toget slaughtered all the underlings in a fire fight by all the people who are going to be looking for you”
Sniper teams, one spotter with an assault rifle and the sniper with a bolt action sniper rifle, are absolutely no match for a basic militia squad of four who barely know how to operate their rifles, assuming only four manage to find them. They fire, then fade away, else they end up at the business end of a lot of other people’s rifles.
I meant that one sniper team in the right place for a single shot can deal with a team of people more efficiently than another team of people ready to start a firefight.
True, true.
I’m also disappointed that my html got devoured. Oh well, less smartass without the HTML.
Don’t forget about the Coriolis Effect if you start to get into some of the longer range shots.
the military is trained to shoot you in the center of body mass aka the torso
Of course, easiest thing to hit
Even if a sniper misses, though, the shot carries enough power to knock you down, possibly rip off some skin. But a good sniper (team) rarely misses.
That’s actually not true at all. A bullet doesn’t carry enough energy to knock a person down even with a direct hit. The feeling of the impact might cause a person to drop to the ground, his legs giving out under him, but a bullet will not knock a person down, especially not if it misses.
There is a myth with the .50 BMG round (i.e. Barrett rifle) that a “near-miss” will knock you down and tear your skin off, but that’s still not true. That kind of energy would probably rip the shooter’s arm off with the recoil.
While they can’t knock someone off their feet like the movies, properly made bullets CAN stop forward motion completely. The .357 Magnum holds the best record for one-shot-stops with it’s standard load, and a running man hit with that will react as if someone punched him very hard at the point of impact, jerking backwards. Considering the amount of damage the bullet does, from there the falling over part takes care of itself.
It’s true. I can actually aim in real life.
I disagree! Skyrim taught me that leathercrafting involves violating the laws of physics (output for most leathers weighs more than the fur used to create it), throwing leather into a fire, then hitting it with a hammer until it’s clothes. NOTHING UNREALISTIC ABOUT THIS.
I’m also glad the inverse is being pointed out – too many people say that killing someone with a gun is just “point and click”.
Well, at point-blank range I guess it kind of is…
But on topic, I’ve been in Boy Scouts and/or Venturing for most of my life so I’ve shot guns before. I’m not super great at shooting games, but I’m ok.
I can’t aim for shit with an actual gun. Not a rifle or a pistol anyway. I’m ok with a shotgun, but they are a lot easier to hit with.
It is. Just like the secret of the stock market is “Buy low, sell high”. It’s simple, really. Now let’s all go be trillionares.
I agree with this comic strip. Guns in Video games are DIFFERENT than the real life. Not to mention the mental stress if you shot a person in real life (unless you’re a cold blooded assassin).
I played games like Counter Strike, Quake 3, & Left 4 Dead (1 & 2). The sensation of killing enemies in the games are thrilling. But when i, once, managed to kill a hueg @$$ monitor lizard on my backyard, i feel so terrified… Since then, i never hold a real guns anymore. I prefer BB guns just for LOLs.
On a side note, am i wrong for predicting that Commander will attack Gackt’s HQ? :P
*so sue me if i ever spoiled anything…*
I play shooter games sometimes, but not very hardcore. When I was allowed to shoot some cans with a rifle at age 12, I was kind of meh. It was a bit fun, but I didn’t really experiece much recoil (it was an old gun)
actually i was playing counter strike with my father, and he told me, that he have a friend who is a teacher of some kind, people from police, army, “grupo halcon”, etc… had at least some training with him… and he said that fps are great for practice, i told him, it was bullshit, and then i went with him, the guy just told me 2 or 3 things and i was doing better than i would expect, i could shoot twice in the chest once in the head in less than 2 seconds at a distance of about 5meters… my only “training”, before that was some mirrors edge, some rainbow six las vegas, some counter strike, once or twice shooting with a homemade bow, once or twice shooting with a wattergun, and once or twice shooting a shitty spring gun…and some stones that i had throw here and there… but the aiming was kind of the same as the “mirrors edge” aiming, that was the way i saw it anyway…
Despite Jarred’s acceptance of potion duty Cmdr. could have at least called him a cleric or something.
that would require cmdr knowing anything about nerdom XD
He played D&D that one time, but everybody rolled a barbarian.
Who GM’d?
Commander, of course.
On the contrary, he DMs for the others. He is heavily involved in D&D. At least to the point where he is familiar enough with the rules to be a DM.
So do they actualy have potions or are they just gonna give him like a smoothie or something
There’s potions even in the real world. They’ll just give him the same ones we have, little energy drink shots shaped like FF potion bottles.
The commander probably has a collection of stimpacks from the nondescript space future.
If it has stimpaks it would suddenly become descript
Now the A-Team preparation montage music is playing in my head.
They’re doomed.
Hilarious! I myself learned to shoot real guns before ever learning to shoot in a video game – the mechanics do not translate over at all. I keep getting frustrated in the games because I can’t shoot a digital gun as well as a real one! Hah!
Also, I wonder if she took classes with a bow and arrows or with the crossbow… ‘Nother world of difference right there… Awesome as always, Coelasquid!
I apply the same method whenever I play something that has a real world counterpart (say, shooting guns or moving covertly):
I totally blank out my mind when playing games like Battlefield or Metal Gear. This way, I’m not trying to actually apply any real-world mechanics to imaginary situations.
Or miniature golf.
I love to watch people who think they play miniature golf well try to play golf, and vice-versa. Both groups totally eat it. LOL
I hate how bolt action rifles are useless in games, that’s what I can do in real life! Semi autos suck in real life
I agree with the bolt action, whenever i have a semi i just want to blast the heck out of whatever animal i am hunting for
Or fellow player…. What? I’m an airsofter (kinda)!
Its cool every good team needs an airsofter
Thanks, McClaud, I’ll keep that in mind… Maybe now I can actually hit something in a game that I would have killed ten times over in real life! Lol
though with things like drone planes, THEY do work like a video game…
The problem with drone is that they are not that real time in real life. At no time should I be able to call up a drone, launch it and see everyone on the battlefied map.
In real life, launch a drone, wait ten minutes for the intel to get sorted, and maybe know the general area where the bad guys were five minutes ago.
But if you mean piloting them is like a video game, yeah – if you consider a flight simulator where you can crash a million dollar piece of hardware into the ground a game.
Yes, I meant the control method
Love shooting guns. Jared let me teach you how it’s done.
Everyone should experience the joy of watching someone wear the wrong shirt to the range the first time and get a burning hot shell casing right in the chest. Bonus points if it’s a girl and you get to watch her try like hell to shake the thing out of her bra.
Don’t worry Jared, I’m…I’m sure you’ll get some EXP out of this? (If there are any points awarded for being the physical manifestation of the Fog spell.)
Just one more benefit of caseless ammunition. Brownies points for electronic firing.
~D.
I have a feeling Commander Badass would find caseless ammunition less macho.
“Hell, ev’rythin’s goin’ green these days…” *^_~*
Well, it does have the tactical advantage of being lighter to carry, which means you can carry more.
And the massive disadvantage of chainfiring. And not working when wet.
More entertainingly, last time my platoon shot gunnery, my squad’s M240 gunner had his sleeves open while on the support by fire position, so I got to hear him screaming while hot brass dribbled up his arm. Little guy didn’t stop shooting, though.
I wish I could have seen you at Wondercon, I was working the volleyball tournament next door and had to sneak out into the halls to at least see the costumes. It would’ve been great to meet you, I love your comic
When Jared is first holding the gun, I have to say… he looks pretty awesome.
Guns are hard to draw.
“Commander I think I’m really bad at this.”
Somehow that’s the cutest thing I’ve ever heard. Awwww, Jared <3
Also oh boy, this storyline keeps surprising me over and over again. Mwah, even if it's not colored I'm happy to have my dose. Thanks for keeping up the good work, try not to totally overwork yourself Coela! That would make one very unhappy Kai.
I hate to say that, Coelasquid, but you’re getting *really really* good at drawing Bishi-commander.
Thanks for the B&W version! I don’t mind waiting for color at all. It’s like getting 2 comics for the price of one, and it’s always nice to get an update on a Monday regardless of its coloring status.
He’s only a lad, you really can’t blame him.
He’s only a lad, society made him
He’s only a lad, he’s our responsibility
Did you make that up? or is that from something? either way it’s pretty cool.
Oingo muthafuckin’ Boingo, mang.
Danny Elfman for the win.
Hollah up in here! Major props!
It’s kind of awkward, the Commander really seems to care about Jared!
I feel your pain Jared. Although I am a crappy CoD player myself, the first time I picked up a gun I had someone over my shoulder just like Commander saying “That’s the safety…you just turned the safety on…its still on…now I dunno what you’re doing…” etc.
Comic teaches how video games’ guns are completely different from real life ones
→girl instructed with bows is fine with crossbow.
Hey, she made no claims to knowing how to use it. Evidently Jared got a gun too.
I’m just thrilled to see a webcomic use the word “magazine” instead of “clip”.
I actually wrote clip first because it was the first thing that came to mind, then I was like “you know, I think that might not actually be a clip” so I googled “assault rifle clip” and the first image was a thing with a picture of each saying “CLIPS AND MAGAZINES: THERE’S A DIFFERENCE””.
http://images.wikia.com/callofduty/images/c/c3/ClipMagazineLesson-1-.jpeg
Confirmed! Haha I’d totally do the same.
T.T
You have my undying love ma’am.
THANK YOU
Bows are actually a lot of fun if you have not used them before, but yeah a crossbow is more like a rifle anyways.
Yea, except you lead more, account for more drop, and no noticeable recoil.
I was fortunate enough in basic we had a s**t screen of a recruit that did everything wrong first so we all learned from his mistake and the Drill Sargent chewed him out for a good 20 minutes when he called the mag a clip.
Bows are fun. And something I can actually use in real life! Not especially well, but better than most people with limited experience.
Pretty sure a crossbow would throw me for a loop, though. “I need to crank WHAT? How do I know when I’m done? What’s this ‘trigger’ thing for?”
You’d have to be astronomically idiotic to not know how to use a crossbow.
The entire reason crossbows became more popular than bows is because you could teach any village idiot how to use one and it required very little training. This is the same reason guns took over crossbows, any asshole with working hands can fire a gun.
And crossbows are actually a lot easier to use than other kinds of bow.
I feel like B. is being uncharacteristically coddling. I mean sure, you don’t want to trust someone with a gun when they handle firearms like they’re playing Duck Hunt. Still, B. should be grinding the way of the bad-ass into him. Teach him the basic mechanics of a firearm, just don’t give him live rounds until he’s not going to kill someone (unintentionally) with them. Stern fatherly advice, and all that.
Jared’s in tears and they’re in a hurry. Commander’s about using his underlings as efficiently as possible for the task at hand, not hammering square pegs into round holes. They’re not going to drop everything so he can put his PA through basic training.
Not without the equivalent of the Rocky 1-4 montages combined, at least.
honestly the m16 has a ridiculously small amount of recoil. otherwise it isn’t very comparable at all
Considering it’s gas operated (uses the gas of the last shot to reload the weapon), it’s a decent weapon. It’s also easier to use.
But a complete pain to keep clean and reassemble if you know NOTHING about guns to start with.
Firing one in the military was one of my few thrills.
Military eh? Which branch?
I was a medic in the army with the 31st combat support hospital, thanks to the geneva convention we only had iron sights
I salute you sir/maam.!
Air Force.
I actually used my M16 more than most AF personnel did, but that’s because I was on the ground in Bosnia in the late 90’s.
Paintballs are completely different from rifles, are they?
Painballs are a spherical object that when fired out a painball gun, usually with a blast of compressed air, has a slow rate of travel with a chaotic trajectory as a sphere is not very aerodynamic..
Rifles are a military weapon that fires projectiles that can be made from a range of alloys, at high speeds via a small explosion. The projectiles are shaped in a way to cut though the air to maintain both velocity and accuracy.
So yes.. paintballs and rifles are very very different.
This is wht that scene in Leon: The professional where she snipes the guy with a paintball always bugged me.
Actually, they make rounds that use paint, different from paintballs that are used for training purposes.
http://simunition.com/en/products/fx_marking_cartridges
It wouldn’t be too much of a stretch to apply the difference in the fact it is a round, not a ball fired by compressed air, that it could be used in theory with snipers aswell.
Notice that the way Jared holds the gun makes it look like a penis extension.
I love holding potions! I love giving them to people! I love being a medic!
“This week’s comic is for everyone who’s ever shot a gun in real life and had to listen to someone say doing it in a game is a comparable experience.”
Amusement: The first time my parents took me shooting (pretty recently), I managed to do pretty well, considering that all I knew was “point downrange and pull the trigger.” Dad attributed it to all the time I spend videogaming…
But… Halo had a target mark, so you never had to aim the gun… (That’s the only game I’ve played that had guns in it. Well, except for DK64, which probably shouldn’t count.)
Would you say paintball is at all comparable? Never actually shot a real gun, but I play PB a lot.
At least my Paintball gun doesn’t have a random targeting reticule right in front of my eyes…
Paintball is fun, but there’s not a lot of transfer over. It’s great to practice tactics since you’re dealing with the human animal so you’re gaming against logic and tactics. Firing a paintball marker is a different beast. Paintball guns don’t have the kick, don’t have the noise, and you don’t get the same chaos. Firing a gun and firing a paintball marker don’t have the same feel. Paintball is closer to laser tag.
Also in halo you have what i would like to call dummy targeting. the comparison in real life would be if you had a guy behind you holding your arms and aiming them in roughly the right direction. if you dont believe me then go to the options menu and switch off autotarget. you will probably notice it is much more difficult to shoot.
Shit I took archery for a while, I want to go adventuring with these guys
That’s all right Jared. Medic is an important class too.
Actually, this is probably going to devolve into Jared throwing health vials at people like water balloons, isn’t it?
I just imagined Jared and Commander as a Heavy-Medic duo.
MEDIC
MEDIC
GODDAMMIT JARED, STOP PLAYIN’ WITH TH’ TURRETS
Do it do it do it do it do it do it.
Does this mean Mr. Fish is Archimedes?
Mr. Fish is Engineer. :p
Except instead of placing turrets, he eats folk.
I am now picturing Mr. Fish talking in Demoman’s voice. It is beautiful.
Mr. Fish as Archimedes? How the heck would he fit inside someone’s rib cage?
~D.
Same way he fits inside a Pokeball!
DRAW IT DRAW IT DRAW IT DRAW IT DRAW IT DRAW IT DRAW IT DRAW IT DRAW IT DRAW IT DRAW IT DRAW IT DRAW IT DRAW IT DRAW IT DRAW IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!!
They should just bring the Bishie Heavy in to help them.
i’m always an engineer myself.
Starting to forget what Commander Badass actually looks like…Must….Read….Archives….To….Remember….Blargh!
Love the comic and can’t wait to see how this story arc gets resolved!
His original forfm was in the last one
Indeed.
There is a distinct difference between the vibration of a controller and the recoil-directly-into-the-shoulder.
Especially with shotguns.
Or high powered rifles.
…or any gun, really.
.22 caliber are best for people who are gun-shy. They aren’t very loud and have practically no recoil. Kind of like one step above cap-guns.
Plus, I’ve noticed that manufacturers are making .22 rimfires dolled up to look like PPSh-41 submachine guns and other military stuff. They’re great for plinking, even though they’re the gun equivalent of a “rice-burner” car.
But I agree, first-person shooters are no substitute for actual shooting. I’m probably a better shot with my real-life Mauser than I am with a Mauser in a video game.
They (.22LR) are also the only legal self-loading guns in the UK. Anything bigger has to be bolt-action.
and you also aim with your arms when you are shooting. also a great tip is to gently squeeze the trigger instead of hammering on it in video games. and let your breath out slowly as you squeeze for all those that have trouble shooting these are two great tips my dad taught me.
believe it or not 22s are actually extraordinarily dangerous due to the “one step above cap-guns” attitude that people have about them. in reality getting shot by a 22 can easily kill you. if you do want to learn how to shoot a gun find somebody with actual experience
Its like gramps always said “bullets weren’t made to heal people kid”
Unless you specifically buy healing bullets :p. But those only exist in magic worlds, so…
I miss my punny useless magic item enchanting d&d wizard. The Shiv of Healing was hilarious. Though, the Silenced Pistol (mutes the user instead of firing bullets) was more useful than intended.
wasn’t that from 8 bit theater
That is true, yes.
I like shotguns in RL and in videogames. Shotgun is always best in any video game ever. EVER! o.0
Disagree! Rifles are best in real life and smgs are best in video games
Nah, rocket launchers beat out everything in videogames.
I want to get a Thompson .45 machine gun myself. But that’s just because I love the mafia gangsta look. So Watchit can have the shotgun, Vulpe can go with a bolt action rifle, From AK can have the Rocket Launcher, and I’ll get the machine gun. Together, we are the painful version of the Wyld Stallions.
And I will fly the jet because I am good at that! I can detroy anything with a plane! Tanks, trucks, jeeps, people, ships, even sometimes other planes. Yes, I run plane into anything!
Orbital Mass Driver. Turns asteroids into atom bombs. More or less.
~D.
Next thing you know, this thread would be talking about throwing galaxies left and right, just like…
!!!
The disease! It is infecting the comments section!!
Nope! you gotta finish the thought! you started it their is no turning back!!!
hint: It starts with ‘G’ and ends with ‘urren Lagann’
WHO DO YOU THINK I AM?!
That’s. A good point
I dunno, I’ve shot three types of assult rifle IRL, and I’ve played many FPS games, aside from it obviously being more difficult to cock and aim a real rifle, there’s really not much difference.
Though, if you expect to hit your target simply becuase you lined them up in the scope, you’re sadly mistaken.
I think that there is some difference as in fps there is almost a guarantee that you will hit the target if you have it in the reticule, not so in RL if you try that with any kind of long range shot with a 22-250 or some other kind of hunting rifle then you will miss by along shot. And the recoil does not make your gun go straight up even if you are shooting with an assault rifle.
That’s hax I tell ya! Hax!
I played one game where the reticule (or scope/target/whatever) got larger when you moved, or fired, and slowly shrunk when you stayed still. Higher fire rate made the thing go larger faster. The bullet could go anywhere in there, so just having the target in the middle of the screen didn’t mean you could hit him. It was like you actually had to take time to aim, and then the recoil threw you off for successive shots.
Very hard, especially against other classmates.
Jared… Why do you look so adorable on the sixth panel?
Bishonen Commander is kind of cute, but I want our perma-stubbled, lantern jawed, hairier than a bear in winter and twice as grizzly, Follower of the Bran-Dao back.
At least give him the Medic’s heal gun from TF2. If he does manage to shoot himself, it’ll just heal him. Unless he is so clumsy he manages to get it to cause damage.
He *did* manage to get himself caught in a water bubble in GLaDOS’s maze, so you might want to check your statement….
Just wanted to say thanks again for the awesome sketch you did for me at Wondercon.
Captain in Wonderland
Having shot a M92F, a 12 Gauge Benelli, a Glock 17 and a SAA, I can say that some companies should REALLY do their homework before adding guns to their games.
The only game that did their homework on bullet physics/penetration/realistic recoil was Red Orchestra 2:H.O.S, it was bashed by critics for having a lot of bug. Nothing compared to actually shooting a gun, of course, but it’s still the most realistic one out there.
My husband, who has trained people to shoot any number of firearms, got to your fifth panel and twitched. And laughed. And said ‘damn straight.’ I don’t shoot the things but I loved his enjoyment of your art.
I am really enjoying the story, too. Thanks!
Aw, c’mon, Jared can’t just summon Mr Fish?
…Summon Bigger Fish?
There’s ALWAYS a bigger fish…
That’s right, I’m your white mage. And nobody, fucks, with the white mage!
…I see the reference there, Dende.
I can’t wait for the episode where future Jared goes back in time to save the day, I mean it doesn’t matter how bad he is now… Living in the Commanders shadow hes gonna grow up to be the ultimate badass
Brownie points if he’s wearing a Wyld Stallyns shirt.
“They get better.”
~D.
Love Jared’s eyes in the last panel. And I totally agree with you about the difference between firing real guns and guns in games. I may not have ever been really good at it but at least I know what bit goes in the shoulder and what bit points at target.
This reminds me, last year, I was playing Black Ops, and midgame, a kid joined us (I say kid, because that’s what he sounded like. Coulda been a dude with a really high pitched voice.) At the end of the game, he got first place. Then he proceeded to tell us how much of a warrior he is and how easily he could take the Taliban if they dropped him and only him in Afghanistan, because the guys that are over there right now can’t do it because he got first place in a match of Call of Duty.
I’m a prior Marine, and I’ve had friends get killed over there, so I didn’t take it very kindly.
I wanted to punch that kid, in the face, really hard.
No, that’d be illegal. Better idea. Do it his way. While he’s messin around and the Taliban are distracted trying to decide if they should shoot him, kidnap him, or just laugh, your marine buddies can move in from behind and get revenge on the bastards. And maybe overthrow a few grenades to teach him fear and respect. Let’s see where his first place in a match of CoD stands agains that.
I have not played COD since the third one came out, I just got so tired of the series that nothing will bring me back.
I actually prestiged once in Black Ops, then shelved it for a year because I got bored. Every now and then, though, I’ll get an itch to shoot some bitches in the face. Right now, I’m consumed by Dark Souls. Kicking my ass and loving it.
Fuck yes the Souls series is badass.
I just wish they would make one for a console I have so I wouldn’t have to play them at my friend’s house.
Dark Souls is for PS3 and 360. Demon’s Souls was for PS3 only, I think.
Thanks for your service, Joe. I’d have let you punch the kid : )
Seconded. And I would join in to put the boots to him.
Amen.
I had that same issue with some jerk on Battlefield Bad Company 2.
He said, and I quote: “Man, you read about fire teams not able to advance on targets in towns in Afghanistan? Why didn’t they just run around the edge fo the town and flank them? Haven’t they ever played a video game before? This is like basic tactics shit.”
I wanted to reach through XBL and strangle him.
Instead, I said:
“I doubt the Pashtun fighters in Afghanistan are all bunched up in one location, not watching their flank. I doubt they are all nerds on a network. I’m also sure there’s no auto-balancing keeping the sides even, too. Not too mention a billion other things that aren’t factored into a f**king video game. And I’m sure our professionally trained soldiers KNOW THAT.”
You’re going to give the molotv’s… to Jarred?!?!?! You’re going to give the flammable objects… to Jarred?!?!?! ARE YOU TRYING TO GET US ALL KILLED?!?!?!
Oh my God those last two panels. I’m not really the commenting type but I just have to say how much I love that. That’s what’s great about this comic – it’s hilarious and poignant, but it’s also got so much heart. I LOVE the Commander and Jared’s relationship – even as a bishie, he’s helping him be a man. Love, love, love. Awesome as always.
Aw, Jared. Everybody knows the mage is a necessary part of the team- yes, it is! Shut up!
I’m one of those people who’d rather the comic update whenever and have full updates rather than the artist try and get something out on the day. It’s strange seeing this in black and white, it’s not bad in anyway… It’s like playing a PS1 game and slowly coming to the realisation that there’s no analogue stick… Just feels weird.
See what do I do about having pretty good aim IRL but terrible gaming skills. Can I trade that, because guns are much less useful to me. Fun, but until the zombie apocalypse I don’t spend nearly as much time with them.
For good gaming skills you just have to have no life. Take me for example, I just finished Oblivion again with a level 45 character and about 50-60 hours of straight gameplay/leveling. P.S. Never loan out good games to friends, loan out the crappy ones so that they stop asking.
And that is the norm for RPG’s for me, and I play most top line western games.
You’re only half right. A RPG gamer is as good as the ammount of type he dedicates himself to the game. The longer he spents on his character, the stronger that character gets, for instance.
However, let’s say you have a lot of experience with… let’s say, fighting games and someone tells you “Here’s this new fighting game. You have to beat the creator of the game at its own game. If you do it, you win a free copy of the game.”
You probably WOULD beat the creator, because he’s a programmer, not a gamer, and he doesn’t have a lot of experience with fighting games, which require reflexes and know-how. Some people actually watch other people “fight” and learn from them, and then are better than the average person when they first play the game. Or even, some people naturally have better reflexes/hand-to-eye coordination.
As for the other type of games, the same applies. A good competitive RTS player will want to know EVERY keyboard shortcut before starting to seriously play the game (against other people). A good FPS player will, similarly, want to be VERY FAMILIAR with the controls and try to immerse himself in the game. Of course, all of this is null when you consider that in order to be a good player you need to practice a lot anyway… probably for even more time than a RPG Gamer. Sorry for my wall of text :P
Well, considering i can that beat most people at fighting games too on the virtue of having been playing them since i was 5, shows that the practice going into games helps a lot.
I am not an rpg exclusive, I play just about everything except JRPG, and no, i do not know why.
And no it does not take more time to become good at an fps than to unlock most stuff in an RPG. I my humble opinion that is. And it does depend.
I did every single quest in Oblivion (except the effing Nirnroot Quest) and got to level 70 in 80 hours. including all offical Bethesda mods.
I used to play Oblivion, then i took an arrow to the knee.
It is not possible to get to level 70 by normal gameplay in oblivion, you might be thinking of skyrim
I have been told I’m a living, breathing Katniss Everdeen ever since my friends saw me use a bow. Doesn’t help that her and I share a birthday…. and hair color…. and eye color… lol
Bows are a lot of fun to use, I stole my older brothers after he went to college. Now I try to hit those dang targets that we got.
Thank you. Nothing like a COD player who thinks he knows what he is talking about. Can’t wait for next monday now!
“Th’ guys’re pro’lly too stressed out t’be much help right now…”
And now all I can think about is the shock setting in, and various biseinen and chunen rocking back and forth, running back and forth, curled up in fetal position, and clawing at themselves in abject horror.
Heheheheheheh….. X3
(And my actual bow skills are way, way better than trying to swing a damn control stick and the reticle flies all over the screen.)
I’m used to people complaining about “realism” or the lack of it in video games, while I’m sure the kids would shit their pants if they’d have to do even the basic course of marksman training in the army, but my personal favorite is getting outranked by 11 year old Captain Cockblocker, 13 year old Colonel M1LFHunter etc. <3
I think it's all good even with the comics coming in late, here in Finland we have a saying "Hyvää kannattaa odottaa"; good things are worth waiting for. :)
I love you so much right now. This comic made my day :D
Poor Jared…
Do I sense that the badasses among the clientele (and C.B., of course,) are going to have to teach the poor lad to properly respect and use a gun? Probably not Duke, this needs a more responsible badass.
Still, between carrying the potions and being a Pokémon Trainer with one of the biggest and meanest early-game Pokémon in existence, Jared should still be an asset. Let’s face it, if he’s willing to hand Jonesy a crossbow on the basis of a few weeks’ archery course, he could do a lot worse than an experienced Pokémon trainer.
Upon reflecting, there’s not a lot of crossover between ‘reasonably responsible badasses’ and ‘comes from a modern time.’ Sten or even (weirdly) Gannondorf would be pretty reasonable teachers, but they’d probably only be able to teach him to use a bow and a sword – not bad skills to have, admittedly, but not teachable in any reasonable timeframe. Gordon Freeman wouldn’t be a good teacher on account of that whole ‘mute’ thing; also, his instant personal mastery of any weapon you put in his hands probably doesn’t translate well into being able to teach that skill to other people. (Theoretical physics, he could probably teach the kid. Gunplay, not so much.) Duke is, well, Duke. They’d probably wind up with Jared puking his guts up in a pot plant in the LadyKiller Casino after losing all his money buying booze (on Duke’s say-so, of course.) (On the plus side, Duke might be able to get him laid.)
The ones I’m seeing who probably possess the levelheadedness and level of responsibility necessary to teach an impressionable young man about firearms, and with the requisite modern background to do so are…
Commander Badass, of course.
Hellboy, maybe, if he’s not too busy at the BPRD.
Robocop, possibly, assuming he’s not too busy at the DPD… But he wouldn’t be my first go-to choice.
Sgt. Johnson from HALO, naturally. Being a Sergeant, he’s likely to be the best candidate. But he seems so well-adjusted (and so marginal on the ‘rampagingly macho’ scale,) that it’s likely he was only visiting to hot-box cigars with the guys.
Adam Jensen would be a good fit, what with his police background and all and his (typically) sane, stable temperament. He’s got to have learned him some newbies at the gun-range a time or two in the past, and he’s likely to have enough issues to be a full-time resident, assuming David Sarif doesn’t have him out doing something or he’s not busy trying to take down the Illuminati.
That… Seems to be about it.
Jensen would be really passive aggresive about having to teach Jared though. I mean, he never asked for that.
~D.
The Vault Dweller. That’s the best choice to teach Jared gun skills. He hasn’t shown up yet, and it would depend on the intelligence score Coel gave him or her. But the Vault Dweller is the best option.
Though it’s a crap shoot between:
Hello Jared, I hear you need the help and knowledge that I can provide, pip pip cheerio.
or
Thog! Me like fishy. You use gun, club enemy like so! Radscorpions hurt.
I was so going to make that joke, but i was beat tot he punch.
*slowclap.gif*
The Heavy from TF2 might work too. Go check out Poker Night at the Inventory, he’s actually more intelligent and laid back than one might think.
I am so freaking glad for the times my Dad took me shooting as a kid.
Personally though, I think the two biggest differences between shooting in real life compared to a game are loading the weapon (which so many people assume is so simple at first…and it is…once you know what you’re doing) and firing from the hip. We’ve got a few shotguns back home and we’ve had a lot of fun setting up targets at the local outdoor range (just FYI, this is Alaska) and trying to hip-fire our targets. It usually leads to a lot of laughter over what targets we actually hit, and exchanges like “Whoah, you hit it!” immediately followed by “I was aiming for that one.”
We still go shooting every Christmas! As soon as I’ve got a better income, I need to start my own gun collection and get a few of the ones back home.
Just to be clear, we’re pretty big guys, and we’re using a smaller gauge for the hip-firing. We know what we’re doing. Gun safety is never out of our minds.
I live in AK too, our little tradition involves trying to use rifles/shotguns with one hand though. have actually gotten pretty good at it.
What I want to know is why they don’t just let Jared be the Summoner. I mean… Mister Fish! An assault rifle is nothing compared to a giant man eating sea serpent thing. Plus the potions… especially if Geralt of Riva made them.
I was kinda wondering that too. Jared’s untrained enough to be a danger to those on his own side, and Mr. Fish seems to be really good at eating things. Presumably people could be on that list too.
Just by playing airsoft I learned a lot about how different is from videogames (and movies), so I can’t even imagine how many mistakes I would make shooting a real gun
Hooray! Now Jared is the popular one! http://i.qkme.me/4gv4.jpg
But what about the Wii Zapper? It made crossbow training feel so real…
I’ve been waiting for this joke for a long time. And I’d say Jared’s expressions in this are totally worth the wait.
And Jared in the fourth panel is… surprisingly sexy? I never thought I’d use the words ‘Jared’ and ‘sexy’ in the same sentence.
It’s not all that surprising, I guess. I mean, confidence is a fair part in that, right? (And in comic form you can’t really tell that from bravado)
I suck so much at FPSs, I’m scared to even think of how much I’d suck with a real weapon on my hand.
I can draw a bow, though! That’s… almost useful.
mr Fish is a pokemon so he is a manga but is still badass so dose that mean hes the cure or that hes imune ore somthing bdw i wonder if comander B will teach jarred to shoot wen this is all over
Pokémon started out as a video game. Therefore Mr. Fish is NOT “a manga”. There have been Gyaradoses (Gyaradii? Gyarados?) in the manga and anime, yes, but those were drawn after the games got popular.
Did you even pay attention to the storyline? We’re up against bishies, not anime/manga. Dumb@$$.
I have nothing against well executed pretty boy characters when pretty boy characters make sense, I just get my jollies making fun of people who turn gruff, ugly, evil, or otherwise “unappealing”characters into their perfect animu husbandos.
Hear hear!
On a side note, I’d probably react like Jared if I had the chance to shoot a gun.
If I sounded like that’s what I meant, I apologise. I have a tendency to say way too much and end up sounding either completely stupid or sounding like I meant something entirely different than what I tried to say.
So… what is your opinion on Ghirahim?
Nintendo pretending no one would notice if they ripped off Kefka 17 years after the fact.
Powerpuff Girls did the trope better with “Him”.
I found that Ghirahim made a lot more sense when I finished the game.
“Gyarados”. Every pokémon name is its own plural. Like sheep, or fish I think.
UMmm… actually there was a manga about Pokemon years before the game. But jarred couldn’t be from that because in the manga pokemon killed eachother.(It never printed in america)
I would really like to see a reaction from The Commander about Blue and Daggett. What does he think about steal hobos and cage fighters?
Spoilers: Commander was just a Daggett Parallel I made because I wanted to do stories with Daggett but the story he belongs in wasn’t ready yet.
What’s Blue and Dagget?
I don’t know if there’s ZERO transferability… when I went to get my firearms licence I knew immediately how to load/reload every gun they gave me during the test because I’d seen my character’s disembodied hand go through the same motions thousands, if not tens of thousands, of times.
And when we went out to the range, to be sure, no one was as good as the people with real firearms experience, but the FPS players were all considerably better than the non-gamers or even the gamers who didn’t play FPSs, even on the first try.
No, they’re not very much alike, but in my experience with both there’s something to say for them.
It has to do with hand eye, and visuo-spatial awareness. Action games, and FPSs in particular, develope those, giving you an edge over people with less. It’s still no match for firsthand experience though.
I learned to shoot from a shotgun from a priest, a handgun and rifle from my dad. I didn’t cry and wasn’t afraid, probably because my dad started me with pellet guns. He and I used to walk down a canal by the house and shoot at bottles and cans people threw in the water. Thinkin’ about it now, I miss those times. First time I fired a real gun that had some kind of response to it, I wanted to keep doin’ it. Despite this, I hate hunting. I don’t like killing for the sake of it, like some people do, to keep trophies. I like target shooting.
I’ve been playin’ games for 23 years or so, and played a lot of FPS when I was younger. Not once did I ever relate guns in games to those in life, though it may have somethin’ to do with a cousin of mine gettin’ shot in the face when I was a kid. He died. I thought it was stupid, because he and his friend were playin’ with it.
On a lighter note, I love this comic, and look forward to this thing continuing for years to come. Maybe some day you can start to make a good profit from it and update twice a week, haha.
I have to say that most people that hunt for animals do not do so for trophies. In my hometown we hunt so that we can keep eating and enjoying the foods that we love. However there are people who do trophy hunt and we then find out who they are and make sure that the fish and game office know about them. So please do not lump “hunting” under the stereotype of the gung ho trophy hunter.
Much appreciated.
There was a notice about police warrant to arrest someone who threw out game meat in my town on the community bulletin the last time I was there. Trophy hunting and wasting perfectly good meat is frowned upon very heavily.
I live in the UK and plan to go hunting rabbits soon with a friend of mine. Lots of people gave us stick when we said that, calling us cruel or hyped up CoD kiddies. We’re not, we just want to try rabbit meat, which is somewhat hard to buy and we have sufficiently powerful air rifles to take out a rabbit humanely. That and it seems like good sport.
Would it be rude to say “I want to eat your meat!”?
Elk makes beef taste rancid by comparison. Or carribou. Mmmmmmm…
Reindeer and moose are really good too.
(reindeer and caribou are the same animal)
Once you go reindeer, nothing else compares.
Not quite, very very very close but there are some little differences between the two. But besides that yes they are able to interbreed and actually get mixed up herds sometimes
“Reindeer” is the name for domesticated caribou. Both animals are Rangifer tarandus.
My intention wasn’t to make hunting out to be bad, just that I live in an area full of uneducated rednecks that think that hunting and fishing are the only activities that a male may engage in.
Well…….., besides comics and games that is pretty much what i do. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Just get a bit upset with that old stereotype.
Hi there Coela, i really enjoy this series and the weekly update is like a wonderful orgazm directly to my soul…
about the whole “teaching Jared handlin’ a real gun” thing..:
Arent you guys forgetting the freakin meanest commando who actually has real teaching experience in canon? (at least in his gene memory if i’m wrong)… You all know i mean “Naked Snake” teaching ozelot real marksmanship (btw, why arent we seeing the ol’ mustache-wearing trenchcoat pistolero? isn’t he a real manly guy as well? at least when he’s older?) and if we remember correctly on a strip upon a time there was hannibal lector which did show that old dudes are also really manly. Isn’t “The End” the perfect candidate for the “old-as-dust”-instructor who could show Jared the ropes?
On the completely other hand: he is perfectly trained to use a Portal-Gun (!!!!!) You can wrack unimaginable havok upon the unsuspecting enemy with this little engine of space/time-raping and he is even clever enough to teach his giant sea-monster to think with portals, that speaks greatly of his capability to think outside the box (Jared, not Mr. Fish^^)…
Wait… a… minute….?
Did i just say giant sea-monster? As in a creature of perfectly guided destruction with the might of Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam and countless other techniques?
JARED DOESN’T NEED A GUN!?!?!?!? He has the force equivalent to a tactical nuclear strike at his bidding and command!!!!!!
OK, may be that Gackt guy and his “slightly different looking replicas” have experience in dealing with giant sea… any king of giant monsters… BUT!!! Jared got kicked ouf of the Tournaments! He’s not longer bound by the rules of shonen jump style animu! He can rain terror upon the poor bishounen actually doing more damage than simple scratches or first degree burns easily healed with some salve…
And lets not forget the damage he caused with the pressurized water cleaner^^….
wtf dude!!!! i totally agree
I donno… The only moves we’ve seen Mr Fish use is Bite and Crunch.
Have you seen the size of that thing’s mouth?? Mr Fish could win just with those two moves!
Hmm you know what? Remember the Trogdor? I think the phrase “hyperbeamin’ the Commander” fully qualifies as a proof of Mr. Fish knowing the attack…
He also knows Roll Over.
Bite, Crunch, Roll over, and Hyper Beam.
Man, I feel oddly uncomfortable just knowing how many people have shot a gun in their lifetime in this comments section
Nothing wrong with responsibly learning how to handle firearms.
You could totally use this comic to start a rebellion against the Bishies.
The fact that it isn’t wrong does nothing to ease my lack of comfort. But worry not, I’m extremely squeamish
I’m curious why folks who’ve discharged firearms make you uncomfortable. Would you be comfortable expanding on your position?
Personally, I think a gun is just another tool, like knives or cars or screwdrivers. They’re enablers, and it’s the people that control them who should be held accountable.
True. I just don’t trust people either. I accept knives, because, hey, steak. But guns… yeah, I can’t think of any instance of gun-using where harm (or the threat of harm) isn’t an intended consequence. Thus, I stay clear of the things.
As I said, I have no trouble with it, really. I just dislike them. To each their own
Well i can accept that, the people who frustrate me are people who assume that guns are a terrible, terrible thing without knowing anything about guns.
Also hunting is not as bad as the slaughterhouses that probably prep that steak of yours. Not that i have a problem with them, but still.
Well, to tell you the truth, I didn’t even THINK of hunting. My, how embarassing! Of course I have no trouble with hunters. In point of fact, most hunters I know care more about the conservation of nature than the average city dweller. Still, I think my mental connections are understandable given that this is an assault rifle that’s in the comic (rarely used for hunting, at least where I live in) In general,, though, I still think regulation seems to me the best policy, but that’s another thing altogether, I’ll admit
You never know, an assault rifle would be great to hunt those Chainsaw Toting Fire Breathing Bears of Death I hear about now and then. Never eat the liver, too much iron in them. You’ll die.
Oddly enough, some of the best sausage I’ve ever had was from a deer that my buddy took with a fully-automatic AK-47 clone. Think it was a grandfathered-in Yugoslavian. They’re rare and all, but once in a while you get someone who has one, and uses it. The ten bullet impacts ruined the meat for anything but sausage, but it was some good sausage.
Worth mentioning that that’s not his normal hunting plan, it’s just someone he does once a year. Says it’s more difficult, too. Have to stalk in a lot closer to make sure he doesn’t miss.
Polar bears livers will kill you too, but its because of the vitamin c content, or was it e, i can never remember
Vitamin A. Husky liver has it, too.
You can tell Jared has no real experience with a weapon because the first thing he does when he picks it up is put his finger on the trigger.
I’m entertaining myself by imagining the merchant from Resident Evil 4 just offscreen in the first panel.
WHAT’RE YOU BU’YIN?
What’re you SELLIN?
Come back, ANYTIME.
Whoa, there, STRANGER, whad’y’a need THAT for? Huntin’ ELEPHANTS?
Silly Jared. You don’t need a gun. You have Mr. Fish.
Wait so if there a bish virus is there a buff virus? Does Commander just need to find Nier to reverse engineer the effects by hitting up the nerd agency. Or is that out of the question?
Coelasquid, how come we haven’t seen nirmura version Canada guy? I WANT TO SEE HIM!!!
sorry, nomura version
The canadians developed an inmunity.
Poor Jared. But that will teach him, you can’t expect to know what you’re doing from a video game. I think it’s time the Commander taught his boy how to shoot!
But Jared is FROM a video game, so it makes sense he;d think he could from that.
Actually, his not knowing how to fire a gun is partly understandable from that view. The Pokemon games actually have no guns or advanced weapons. Black and White’s plot hinges on that fact. As some others have pointed out who needs such things when most Pokemon are capable of doing such and more. Lots can be flamethrowers or even tazers. Plenty can cause an earthquake at will. Who needs a missile when a black ops team can position themselves around a target building then each use a pokemon with earthquake to collapse it. less collateral and clearly focused, as in the game you can use it in buildings at normal power and not bring the building down. A focused flood is also possible. many other war like possibilities are available for certain.
While yes Jared plays on an XBox and clearly inhabits the same world as badasses like Commander it does not mean that Pokemon Trainer Land where he is from has as available weaponry as where the story takes place.
I can’t remember if its been said where this city is in the world. Does anyone know? is this even our world? is it like a joint dimension between all their worlds? is the world geography even the same? Where is Jared’s home? pokemon implies something but other stuff contradicts that.
It was awesome meeting you in person! Hope you dig the book!
Isn’t Leon Kennedy a member of the club? He probably hasn’t changed much and is good to go.
In the last panel, Jared reminds me of Zoidburg. I like it.
BTW what happened with jared attempts at getting his XBOX which contains his saves with all his stats?
Man, you got quite the response from everyone this time around (though this could be normal, I usually don’t check the comments, as I only recently found the comic/was powering through the archives) Anyway, I too liked this entry to this grand story (or some such nonsense) and have been the guy instructing others in basic “do’s & don’ts (that looks really weird) of handguns” Luckily, I haven’t had anybody mess around with any real guns, only paintball markets & airsoft guns (which, while not “toys” per say, still aren’t going to do the damage a mishandled firearm)
First shooting experience wasn’t until I was 19 or so, but I had been taught, if not how to shoot, how to respect the potential a firearm possessed. It was only marginally like in games, in that there is a gun, and when loaded, the trigger caused it to shoot in the general direction the barrel is pointed. We started small (.22’s) and worked our way up to a .44 mag, and the differences in how the different guns/rounds acted was quite illuminating. More recently, I had my first shotgun shooting experience, and while that’s a blast (only a small pun intended) I think I could have managed wearing a thicker shirt that day.
Anyway, any point I was going to make has flown out the window by now, so I’ll cease my rambling with these last thoughts: this comic is good, and you should feel good about it; huzzah pointing out that game guns =\= real guns; double huzzah making sure the right terms are used (magazine instead of clip, in this instance); boo for wondercon being in Anaheim, instead of San Francisco, where it should be (and where it’s significantly closer to me [15 miles vs 400 miles {or was it 300?}])
Okay, it’s late. G’night all.
I know that feel, bro.
When I was in Afghanistan, I watched an Army Ranger get stomped into a bloody pulp on Call of Duty by a bunch of nerd!troops (I am not denying being a nerd, but I got no skills at any FPS and know which end of a rifle to point away from myself). The resounding mockery involved something along the lines of “Don’t you do this for a living?!” His response: “Yeah, which means I didn’t get as much time in my mom’s basement with an XBox as you guys.”
PS – Can I have that M4-like thing Jared has? I want one. Especially if it shoots little rifles that shoot bacon.
I want a gun that shoots tiny knives!
A knife launcher would also be acceptable.
Mad props Coelasquid, mad props.
She’s a butcher, you twit. Hand her a meat cleaver!
(And while we’re at it, if she can fire a crossbow, she can fire a gun. Why not hand her something that isn’t going to take up to 30-60 seconds to reload?) I’m over thinking again…
Small critic from a comic reader: I know this is nitpicking but I feel like we missed a page with the sudden change in scene. Last we saw of our duo (now trio?), they were walking AWAY from the Temp Agency… only to end up teleporting back off panel? The hell? Also, the start of todays dialog adds to the feeling that I missed something relevant.
“She’s a butcher, you twit. Hand her a meat cleaver!”
This. Nothing would please me more in this comic than to see a full page picture of Jonesy standing on top of a pile of dead zombies, covered in blood, with a meat cleaver in each hand and a maniacal grin on her face.
(Psst. You want that for your wall, don’t you? ;) )
Hey Coel, you paying attention? This should be your next poster idea! :D
Nothing says they have returned to the agency. While I do agree that is seems there has been a jump (seriously, when did Jared show up?), I believe that it would not be too far-fetched to assume the Commander has a “man-cave” somewhere outside the agency.
Two hints make me believe they’re back at the Agency.
1) Commander talks of the boys as if they’re there but he’s not willing to approach any for help. (I find this kind of insulting… It’s obvious attitudes haven’t changed, just their appearances. I think Sten would still be more equipped to handle the weaponry (bishonen disease be damned) than a civilian like Jonesy. He seemed to fix his hair just fine….)
2) The appearance of Jared. Let’s face it, this kid LIVES at the agency more often than his “man-cave” by the… shore? o.O Wait, where is that hole in the ground anyway?
As a former employee of a meat department in a grocery store, I can attest to the disturbingly useful information that comes from hacking apart dead animal parts for (re)packaging. Some uses of it are fairly mundane; I can bone-out a chicken or turkey pretty quick, and I can recognize most cuts of meat sans packaging.
Make the direct connection between the fact that a chicken’s leg/hip joint is (roughly) the same as a human’s shoulder joint, however– thus implying I kinda know where to jam a long pointy thing to dislocate said joint– and it gets squicky pretty fast. Anatomy classes just mean I’d be less likely to miss the socket on the first try.
I’d wager Jonesy at the very least would be familiar with the heft of a proper chef’s knife. Cleavers are meant for getting the most force behind the cut as possible, for severing thicker meat. Most grocery stores that have meat departments employ the use of knives not much different from your average kitchen knife, albeit generally more expensive (and better cared for– the store I worked for had the knives professionally honed once a week). No high-handed hacking here, meat cutters are (usually) trained to make clean, concise cuts.
If you’ve ever watched a chef on a cooking show butterfly a porkchop or a chicken breast, that’s a similar style of cutting to what most meat department employees use. “Butchers” are the ones cutting the whole beast into sections (generally at the processing plants), which go to meat cutters (the store employees) who dismantle those into the pretty packaged things you see in the cold case. (Not counting, of course, the massive chain stores like Wal*Mart that have all their stuff done at the processing plant.)
Now, granted, I don’t recall whether Jonesy was a butcher or a meat cutter, but I still figure she’d be more dangerous with a chef’s knife than a cleaver. Not much muscle on that one for swinging, but a chef’s knife has a defined point, which means better precision strikes.
In my humble opinion, the chef’s knife is more dangerous looking anyway. A cleaver’s easily recognizable as something used to hacking things apart, but most people don’t know how to use it, they can only imagine the damage it’ll do (hint: not much, unless the person using it has arms the size of pitbulls or is aiming for something fleshy). A kitchen knife, however, most people recognize, and many have handled themselves; they know the heft, how easy it should cut, many of them might even envision the numerous times they’ve effortlessly dismantled a piece of meat like it was just another day.
It’s that little touch of familiarity that makes it so much more than it was: it puts everything into perspective.
*crawls, like a squished cockroach, out from under the wall of text* Very… *INHALE* …informative. *lays there huffing*
HOWEVER, *boldly points to the sky* I was not wrong! Jonesy is an assistant butcher, at a local grocer, so I think that means she knows how to handle a meat cleaver. She also doesn’t seem the type to work in your stereotypical grocery store.
Can’t they jst go back in time, tase Nier and stick him in a cage until the bishieness works through his system?
I think someone asked that and was responded with time paradox BS, despite the fact that he’s already done this once at the coffee shop.
And this pretty much surmises my only problem with Time Traveling characters. The answer is and always will be, “Go back and prevent the BS from happening” but there’s always some magical or theoretical bullshit that prevents the hero from doing so.
“You can’t go back in a time you already exist. If you and your paradox double were to even graze or glance at each other, the entire fabric of space time would be ripped asunder and everything, whether it’s past, present or future, will cease to exist!…….Maybe.”
e__e Makes me want to go back and test it, honestly.
The time travel by the commander is technically paradox free because of its dependence on the element bullshitum as referenced in previous strips.
It was a comment made by Coelsquid. It was never referenced in the comic itself.
Also, it doesn’t defeat my major complaint, which is, TIME TRAVEL IS THE ONLY ANSWER!
He’d probably just end up getting infected from contact with Nier, no matter how it goes down. Better to just move on and fix it.
It’s pretty clear it’s transferred by scratches and touching infected wounds. (Like a lot of normal diseases.) Besides, he would be going back already transformed. He can’t get infected again.
We have no indication any of the other gusy were scratched. And Jared was infected from just touching the wound, so all it takes is contact.
In all honesty, I think the lack of scratches was just an oversight. Had mere contact been all it took, the commander would have transformed sooner.
Dude, I’ve been following manly guys doin manly things since Mr. Fish first appearance, I live in Italy and I wish I could get to wondercon. Not gonna say just for you because there’s plenty of things I’d love to see there, but trust me, it would be nice to meet the guys that make one of the few comics that I read from the begin many times and always make me laugh exactly like the first time.
Keep up the outstanding work.
…actually, all my game shooting made me a pretty decent shot when I used a real one! But I play light gun games. Involves a little bit of actual aiming.
there is a bit more translation there, i do know that some of those light-guns (like the original xbox sniper) were actually pretty heavy.
Knowing my experience with firearms, bows, and explosives I would most likely ask Commander for… erm… … Right, with all the pseudo-experience I do have with “combat”? I’d just use my fists… or just run like hell.
TRIGGER DISCIPLINE, JARED!
…Of course I’ve never fired a gun either. It’s strange, because gamers these days are usually aware video game guns are nothing like guns in real life, and they attempt to educate themselves about how to properly handle a gun so they don’t look like idiots on the internet. Granted, I have no idea if that actually improves their real-world marksmanship.
A meat cleaver might be a good melee weapon for Jonesy, yeah. Jared, of course, needs a Magikarp. He’s already experienced at pummeling things into a pulp with one of those.
As for weapons to start them off with, Jonesy said she had an archery course, not a crossbow course. Raid any of Sten’s, Gannondorf’s, or Link’s rooms for a bow?
If they need to recruit more muscle, of course, I’d say that Link and Duke Nukem are probably their best bets for being able to function like this. Duke can function when shrunk to the size of an action figure, so he’s probably experienced at handling body dysmorphic combat situations, and Link was always pretty lean and thin, so he’s probably not as affected as everyone else.
“Jared, of course, needs a Magikarp.” Mr. Fish would get jeal–WAIT. He’s got a GYARADOS, so why are we bothering with firearms?! God, how could I not have noticed that plot hole sooner?! It’s big enough to bury me in. -___-‘
Crossbows are actually rather simple to use once you figure out the order of how to do things. Bows takes a lot of strength and are less powerful.
You’re also assuming Link is there, as a client. Link isn’t manly, he just raids Gandorf’s office because he’s racist, hyper, assuming and a little mad from all the years of dealing with Navi and her evil clones over the years.
Bows are more powerful and accurate but only if you train a ridiculous amount and have a good quality bow.
More powerful than CROSS BOWS? Are you sure you have your information right?
Well, after doing a bit of research modern crossbows are more powerful and have better range but are generally heavier, clumsier, harder to draw than bows, have a slower rate of fire, and are generally beaten in competitions when compared to bows. So you are technically right about the power and limited training required but not the draw weight issue. They are also less efficient than bows in terms of energy tranfer. (muscle to acceleration)
I’m pretty sure Link’s a client. He is manly in a way.
Normally I wouldn’t comment on this comic, because it’s so popular and the comments get lost, but as an avid cross-bow marksman, I must confess…
There’s no way a crossbow with that design could should a bolt across a table, let alone pierce skin. The lathes are too bent back. The only way it could possibly work (and this is only because the bottom of it isn’t shown, is if the body were abnormally long, allowing for the string to actually be pulled back to create tension.
;D
Knowing the agency it is probably used as a melee weapon or some such
D’aaaw, another Commander and Jared moment!
Team Fortress 2 is the greatest murder simulator of them all. It taught me how deadly throwing a jar of urine at an opponent can be. It has also inspired me to get a medical license ’cause healing is as easy as making the proper sandvich.
Hey- I play CoD, Halo, Crysis, UT2004, Battlefield 3, and other games. I also target-shoot, with clays and also standard targets. I have fired many weapons, from a Colt 45 to a Barret .50. I have fired full-auto, Semi-auto, and burst. I have also used bows, AND crossbows. I have fired 12 gauge and 10 gauge. I have fired birdshot, buckshot, and slugs.
My point:
Real life =/= CoD.
I played games before I shot guns. My coordination was good BEFORE the XBOX, and is even better now. I picked up my first shotgun, a 10 gauge, and knocked myself on my ass out of startle reflex. I got better with practice, and I was OK to begin with, due to my good hand-eye coordination.
So, IMHO, IRL shooting requires practice to be good. Having good coordination helps, to be sure, but don’t expect to go from CoD to skeet-shooting seamlessly.
For the TL;DR:
IRL guns+ IRL Practice= better with IRL guns
Gaming guns+ game Practice= better on games
Gaming practice=/= IRL practice
IRL practice =/= Gaming practice
so
Gaming guns =/= IRL guns
The only skill that is common to Gaming and IRL shooting it hand-eye coordination.
And even that is different.
Just wanted to note that I see on this page – comic&comments – the stuff other people were talking about a while back, a whole crapload of spammy keywords (some with links, some not) below the bottom of the comic and nav buttons, but above the title and date. You said you wanted to know about that when we saw it happening?
–Dave
…aaand on the reload with my comment added, it’s gone again.
–Dave
For me, it just shows up on the home page. On the archived page with the comments, the spam doesn’t show up.
I’m sorry, but I think this needs to be said again in honor of posting the colored version.
You’re going to give the molotv’s… to Jarred?!?!?! You’re going to give the flammable objects… to Jarred?!?!?! ARE YOU TRYING TO GET US ALL KILLED?!?!?!
I though they were reffering to potions, as in healing items.
Does the commander seem like the type of guy who would keep potions or healing items, or molotolvs?
Well, he seems like the kind of guy who likes being alive. And if they were molotovs he’d probably call them that and not give them to Jared.
True, but I don’t think the commander has time to create something harmless, and even Jarrod would most likely be able to tell if he was being given water, milk, OJ, coffee, or some other nonlethal liquid they might have at hand. Although, I guess he could use thermos’ of hot coffee, that might work. I’d still say molatov’s but you’ve got a good point. The commander seems smarter then to tell Jarrod he’s going to be carrying something you throw at your own team then hand him a bunch of molotolves.
(I still want to see him give Jarrod molotolves though, if not in this battle a future battle, and have him think their health potions, just to see how it plays out. You know the commander would come up with something so it all works out and they all live, I REALLY want to see what happens)
(I predict confusion from Jarrod, followed by happiness/joy or proclaims of leet and double fist pumps into the air, fear and shaken from the girl, can’t remember her name, but she’s unharmed, the commander is most likely injured but still alive, and either is unconsious or grins and bears it, this is most likely followed by Jarrod attempting to help by using a “health potion”, the complete destruction of an area roughly the size of five city blocks, at least part of which is a construction zone, and general awsomeness all around.)
Admit it, now you want to see him give Jarrod a bunch of molotolves too.
D’aww, I love the Commander still trying to keep Jared involved without downright lying to him. I have a friend who would have been sorely tempted to let Jared learn the hard way.
What’s MVP? Just looked it up on Urban Dictionary and it said “most valuable player”, is that right?
Also, I’ve shot a gun before on one of those clay pigeon assaults. It was very easy! You flick the thingie to get it off safety and then pull the trigger!
Maybe it’s because I don’t play shooting games that I was so adept.
I dunno’… Despite the entire purpose of this arc, I think Commander Bishounen’s character design is pretty distinctive, if not necessarily his face.
Am I the only one who imagines that Jared’s voice is the same as Sokka’s from Avatar: The Last Airbender? Seriously, I read his lines in that voice without even realizing I’m doing it.
With enough potions Mr. Fish can be as good as invincible!
Hopefully they are as good as moo-moo milk, or even hyper potions.
I actually much prefer video game guns over the real thing. Guns kill people (as I have very much noticed through video games xD), and I shall stick with Archery! :D
Amazing! Can’t wait for the next upload :D
Bows don’t kill people?
I too have been reading your comics from the very beginning. I started when you only had 5 comics up, and i have been religiously checking your updates every Tuesday since then. Keep up the good work!
Thankyou every time I man the recruiting booth for the Territorial Army at the summer fair we have legions of kids telling us about their call of duty scores.
You don’t have to carry the things or clean them with a video game.
i have nothing to add to the gamer/real life shooter arguement that hasn’t already been said. first time i actually fired a .45 was simaltaneously the most awesome and educating experience of my life.
now what really grinds me aside from the whole cod expert thing is that he’s holding his finger on the trigger when he’s not aimed and about to fire…… remember your gun safety rules kids
My first experience with a projectile was pretty young from boy scouts. Got to be pretty good at bows. Then I shot down a beehive in my backyard with that…didnt go like I had planned. As far as real weapons go…I was in the US army, 10th mountain, infantry, and we trained for 2 years before we went overseas. I learned how to REALLY shoot, and how hard it really is. You can pick up a firearm and use it fairly quickly in all honesty. But to know what the hell your doing so you dont do something dumb…takes time!
I love this XD
also on an unrelated note, this reminded me of Mr. Fish
http://www.pown.it/1135/20096083
Thank you.
I have shot real guns before and I have heard people thinking shooting in a game is the same ;-; for a long long time.
Which is kind of funny because the first time I ever played a halo game was right after going shooting for the first time XD.
I just get so annoyed when some douche thinks they can use a gun because they’ve seen it on TV or used one in a video game ><
I at least learned how to do it properly and follow the rules.
It also makes me happy because I know I’m not getting potion duty if I ever get to be in real fight ;_D I know how to use both arrows and guns XD
Ok, for everyone who has commented thus far:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmM33I4PlFk
This is hillarious! It’s a bunch of different people firing a .557! If you don’t trust links, go to youtube, the name of the video is massive recoil rifle. These guys are being thrown backwards, thrown on their ass’, their dropping the gun in fear, it’s flipping out of their hands, it’s hillarious!
This comic reminds me of my cousin all he does it play video games and eat cereal. We had to put his PS3 in the dishwasher and threated to put it through a cycle if he didn’t come over and visit. Just because you have good stats on COD does not mean one can shot a gun or riffle. I remember the first time i shot off a riffle; well actually it was a daisy air rifle and is a taboo word in the cadet circles, But they do have a bit of a kick to them if you never fired one off before and you aren’t expecting it, its pumping it that’s the hard part though, plus we had to lie down to fire them. Anyways, first time i shot one off it ricocheted off the side panel of the target and left a dent in the deck. I couldn’t hit the broad side of a red barn. I’m a bit better now I just need to work on my groupings. Also I don’t consider people who ONLY play COD as “gamers” just annoying 12 year olds who don’t know what Zelda, Mario, Mass Effect, Bio shock or any other really awesome games there are whom I could not list due to the sheer number of really awesome games. There is also this thing called “outside” as well.
As a lifelong shooting enthusiast, constantly reading about the field, owning a small collection, and previously teaching groups of boyscouts who have never held a real gun how to shoot I can appreciate the sentiment here.
Generally you encounter two types. Those who believe that everything they learned about guns in games applies to the real world. They are almost unteachable. Then you have those who are capable of distinguishing and though they may have a few bad habits to break it goes much more smoothly.
I will say at least that more shooters who play games seem to start off understanding the concept of how iron sights work.
Safety habits are the biggest thing.
I can’t shoot a gun or use a bow and arrow/ crossbow. Guns scare the shit out of me, and the last time I shot an arrow, it went behind me and nailed a guy in the nuts! It was funny, I will admit, but I shall never be a good markswoman : (
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ya – i remember being on basic training in katimavik, a youth exp program in canada. our sgt REALLY ramped up the whole recoil bit esp to the girls… day of shoot my roomie shows up w/menstruel pads sticking out through her sweater she was so freaked! wasn’t that bad though… i was! all the targets nxt to me got extra by=ullets, mine none!
Is anyone else seeing the big block of nonsense text and potentially sinister linkies?
Spam’s still there D:
Clear your browsers internet history, cookies etc. Worked for me, at least.
I had never seen that spam-thingy before though I’ve seen people mentioning it a few times before in these comments. Does anyone still know where it’s coming from?
It’s not Jared’s fault. He took an arrow to the knee off panel. An arrow full of a poison that makes him useless with weapons.
Course he has a giant fish monster and was decent with the portal gun. Don’t know why he doesn’t grab that.
Dammit, you had a table at Wondercon? I didn’t see you there!
Any plans to be at the Calgary comic expo?
H3H3H3, HE H4S D1RKS SH4D3S >:]
Gooooooood Terezi, way to point out the o8vious. We can all see that. Oh wait, you cant!
Newb :P I ask questions on important things when holding a REAL gun and I listen. Jared you think you are too smart but reality hits his kind hard a lot. It’s funny
JARED IS CREDIT TO TEAM
Speaking from experience of serving in the army, even someone holding a rifle for first time of life is able to shoot it accurately on their first try. That’s just how easy weapons are actually to use.
…She’s just a girl
Could it be any more ahhhhbviousssss?!?!!
We are in love, haven’t you heard?
While we rock each other’s wooorrrldddd!!!
(In response to the post title read: “he’s just a boy”)
Soz for subjecting everyone to the Lavigne but I just got done watching Generation Kill (great series, even if the war part isn’t so hot for you) for the millionth time all that title reminded me of was Corporal Josh Person singing Sk8er boi (badly) but yes, even manly manly (and hugely homoerotic as the marines oft point out) marines love them some Canadian bacon skater girl!
OK, that’s an impressive display of incompetence by Jared. I mean really? Holding it upside-down? How can someone who plays that much not even know how to hold a gun?
Personally, I’ve never seen an AR15 in my life, but I still know how the controls work. Give me a minute to get a feel for them, I could probably work one OK.