It’s what Vin would have done
January 3, 2011
12:00 am
Yeah, I realize Commander just turned down a date for D&D, but we can get to that later. And besides, you just don’t bail on your boys like that.
In other news, gonna have to arrange a fundraiser or something in the near future, I think. I just had to sink a substantial chunk of change into a new tablet to finish this strip on time because my old one literally needs to have the wires held inside of it by hand to function. Guess I’ll get back to you when I figure something out, maybe I’ll find some way I can stretch out my schedule even more and finally get some stuff to make a store or something.
Discussion (428) ¬
eff yeah, Lobo.
Thank God I’m not the only one who immediately recognized him. He’s not exactly a well-known character, y’know.
you know the post is tagged with the character names…
To be honest, no, I never look at the tags. Because that’s CHEATING.
And if you only know the characters by looking at the tags, that makes you a HIPSSSTERRRRR!
Ahahaha best response to smart ass statement ever XD
The Main Man, not well known?! You best be kidding bastich.
Lobo’s in two comic series right now and was DC’s biggest character in the 90s (and also one of the main guys in 52 a few years back). The Main Man best be known by everyone!
Lobo and Omega Red were big shit about the same time. And I loved them so much….
I knew him before I could make a distinction betweeen Marvel and DC, thanks to one of the Superman animation series somewhere in the 90.
Sadly, that’s all I know him from.
Well, that, and a two-minute cameo in one other cartoon that I can’t remember off the top of my head…
I got Lobo right away and then spent several seconds placing the Team Fortress guy.
Then when I saw the cheaty-hipster comment about tags I couldn’t grok why this comic was tagged with Transformers 2 until I went back and looked at it for a bit.
Lobo I could see someone misplacing he’s not exactly well known but Heavy’s name is… heavy weapons guy. that’s like forget a guy’s name when it’s “big guy who shoots things with big guns” which on a completely non-sequitor note makes me want to make a game featuring Big Guy Who Shoots Things With Big Guns.
Who else knows about Lobo because they read Maddox in their youth?
I know about Lobo because I used to read Lobo in my youth.
I’m proud of myself for recognizing Lobo without looking at the tags. Everyone loves The Main Man!
best one yet :D I love when sten tells you that in game one of my all time favourite lines.
Yes, I fucking love DnD.
In my game, we have some great fun.
Our rule is that you want to see your girl on the day we play, bring her with. We play once a day and you wont bail on us for such a reason. It works.
Hm. I’ll need to remember this rule… Saturdays are usually a battle between DnD and Girlfriend.
Just marry/date a girl that enjoys the game. I did. My rugrat likes to play too in between playing with barbies and My Little Pony
I am currently engaged to a girl who plays with me and the guys. It’s fantastic.
i’m the girl who dms the game. where does this put meeeee?! :C
although, tbh, “throw the dice” is the best euphemism i’ve ever heard for d&d.
You could date one of the guys that you DM? Then again, that would spread unfair bias…
In control.
You could probably work the Ponies in, sort of like Bunnies and Burrows. There’s got to be a D20 system out there for ponies. Have a fun little session with the kiddo!
Y’know Wizards of the Coast put out this story at the beginning of one April right?: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dd/20060401a
Make sure you scroll all the way down to see ‘My Little Beholder’ ^^
Seems reasonable.
I mean obviously D&D would take priority over pointless coupling shenanigans… but still… this is so far from being an issue in my case. My roleplaying groups, much like my relationships, have all collapsed and failed in short order…… so in both cases I don’t even bother any more.
All the D&D games I’ve played in have just disbanded because people stopped showing. I quit the Exalted campaign after losing my 3rd character because GM found it hilarious to keep killing my characters (and the rest of the group joined in). The SLA Industries game ran out of momentum much like D&D… and everything was immune to my chain-axe. The Inquisitor game failed because the GM died. Call of Cthulhu is the only one where I’ve had a character survive through to the end of a campaign… but that is mostly because everyone else was so noisy I just got ignored most of the time.
All in all… not a good time.
So I don’t really roleplay any more… or bother with people in any meatspace context outside of employment.
Dude… Call of Cthulhu is the one you survived? Call of freakin’ Cthulhu??! What’s up with that? Strange DMs are strange…
It’s true, you do not bail on your boys like that.
I once turned down three women (at once) because a friend was supposed to be staying with me that night and I didn’t want to leave him with nowhere to go.
Now that’s commitment.
I’ve been left in the lurch like that for the sake of tail before. It’s not nice. But now I have a nerdy, nerdy girlfriend, so it all works out.
Good karma feels good, man.
I once turned down a threesome :| Nice to see I’m not alone!
Not really worth it either, to be honest. One person will always be nicer.
Personal opinions though.
A friend in need is one thing, but if you can’t skip game night with a simple “Sorry bros, I’ve got to see about a girl” you’ve got to try to get yourself some real bros.
Although if you’ve scheduled a thing with Lobo it’s probably the smart thing not to cancel, no matter what.
So if the girl is incapable of planning in advance and using a calendar does any guy really want to hook up with her?
Are you asking me? Yes I find not being a slave to your stopwatch a rather attractive trait. And losing track of time and tide is usually a side effect of romance.
Do not compromise. Once a woman controls a man she no longer desires him and you will have neither friends nor girl.
It would be one thing if he was just a player, but he’s the GM, the big man. BROS BEFORE HOES, unless you love her then it’s okay to blow them off now and again…
This was a hard decision, and I just wanted to say that I’m impressed at your loyalty my friend.
brethren before wenches
but what if some girls invite you to a game of DnD on some day your boys have there DnD do you think you could do both with like a live video chat or some think I need a girls advice on this I need to know if you would acept it or not.
Paradox much?
You go to whichever one you said yes to first.
this is true.
Or else you go to Hell.
I just need a simple answer or was “CAMPAIGN CROSSOVER” the answer.
My answer WAS the simple answer. If you can’t see that, you’re beyond help.
but you didn’t answer the question that i asked
You get your Inception totem ready because it’s probably a dream.
Queue the music!
http://inception.davepedu.com/?dfsf
I take offense at that sir! I am, biologically and gendered, a woman. Also, my bf and I met through role playing. so :P
I play dungeons and dragons, as well as other games, such as Exalted, Mage and Werewolf (before that whole ante-Apocalypse bullpucky) — but mostly me and my crew are obsessed with a homebrew game that is so, so much better… hell, it even resolves the “… uh, doesn’t work unless someone else isn’t a fighty type…” :3 Oh, if only there was some way I could communicate the amazingness that is this game… *ponders*
Also, Coelasquid, absolutely worship your work. I need to find some way to donate/offer in some way that doesn’t need a credit card, ‘cuz I don’t have one. :( Will you accept money orders from the U.S.? If so, then to whom do I address such?
Any chance you could hook a bro up with some crunch / fluff for that homebrew system? ‘M between campaigns, and I’m not sure on what system I’m gonna run for my next.
In this highly particular situation, there is only one proper response. CAMPAIGN CROSSOVER.
… yeah. cc.
Aw yeah Lobo!
Is that Lobo? :D
Why yes. Yes it is.
And he’s truly, truly, truly outrageous.
…. As someone who always plays the magician/sorcerer/witch (you get the theme) the last line does make me sliiiiiightly uncomfortable – but my inner geekiness is still jumping around in a happy little circle at the thought of them big buff boys playing whatever dice game it is they’re playing.
That aside, I’m sorry about your tablet. It sucks when technology fail us by breaking when we need it the most. *glares at silent mp3 player*
Ahahah, Qunari are not overly fond of Mages, as he says in the game, “A mage knows magic like a drowning man knows the ocean”. He talks about how they keep mages on leashes and cut their tongues out if they catch them practicing magic unlawfully.
Leashes? Kinky
The Qunari are such party animals that they have to restrict the partying to certain extended holiday events where there is drinking, dancing, and raucous singing and general partying until the designated party-enders aka designated buzzkills go and start breaking up the party after about a week. Good stuff!
i wish i was manly enough to play dnd.
its not a matter of manliness its a matter of self confidence
the two are damned close to synonymous.
“Confidence alone does not a man make.” I’ve met some very confident, but very feminine (some biological, some gendered) folks and I have to say, there’s a great deal of other qualities more synonymous “man” these days than strength of ideal and character…
This happens more often than you think. I speak from experience.
:/ Hope you get things worked out. Let us know if we can help and it’ll happen. Regarding the comic: HAH. Surely one of them will volunteer to be a monk?
And a side note, sorry for the link spam in advance… but I “cosplayed’ as Jonesy this week. I say that in the most general term because… uh. That’s really standard attire.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/taekwondogirl/5304893328/
Waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwhatwhowhatwherewhenwhyhowwhowhathowwaitwhat?
…I’d ask for your number, but I have a feeling that handle you’re going by on here isn’t just cause the letters look pretty when formulated in such a fashion…
You’d have to royally screw up asking for someone’s/my number to merit violence. :p
She don’t know me very well, does she?
/Bugs Bunny voice
If it didn’t merit violence, I’d consider it a screw-up.
Ahahahahahaha Amazing. That’s probably the sneakiest cosplay anyone could pull off without dressing up like Jared :P
Wanna know what makes it better? My name is Sarah. :D
It was meant to be.
Ok, I completely underestimated the amount of people who lurk in the comments. The views shot up from 80 to about 1800 in 24 hours. I figured you had pretty high traffic for the comic itself, but why are there so many people looking at comments but not posting? O_o
Nothing constructive to add?
I know that I’ve benn guilty of lurking on many a thread for just that reason.
Not to be a creepy internet stalker, but I was admiring your backpacking pics and was curious as to where that fire-tower is?
Also…
While baked goods need know justification i’m still curious, what’s with all the cookies? ;)
Haha, fair enough and thank you! The fire tower is on Devil’s Head monument which is in Pike National Forest in … hmm. Probably just about central Colorado. It’s a pretty decent hike and the views are absolutely spectacular.
As far as the cookies go… I work in a bakery and someone put in an order for 2,230 cookies. I don’t know if it was for a company or anything, the order form just had a first name on it. It was the weekend before Christmas or maybe the one before that, and I did it completely by myself in two days. Pretty much spent both of those days devoted entirely to it, but hey. Haha.
Beautiful Baker who likes to backpack? You’re going to make some poor sod a lucky man. ;)
PS: I was serious about the cosplay if you’re ever on the west coast.
Consider this bout of creepy internet stalkage observed and acknowledged.
All throwing around the b-word like you’ve got an agenda.
i feel like i know about 4 or so people that, in order to dress as Jared they would have to ONE of the following:
A) Remove glasses.
B) Put on a skullcap.
C) Allow their chin scraggle to grow out.
D) Shave their “Mustache”
Optional: Catch one of Mr. Fish’s kin.
I would only need the skullcap :P
And let my chin scraggle grow a little bit more
I’d only need to take my glasses off… and cut my hair.
Oh. Excellent, though I suspect you spent a lot of time explaining “No, this is a costume!”
And as the dude said, and if the opinion of an aging techie counts for anything… “also excellent”.
Thankfully I didn’t have to attempt to explain it to anyone; a tripod and self timer eliminates that sort of questioning. And thanks. :D
Wow. Nice. You WORKED that outfit, girl. :p
Hahahaha, thanks!
Wow, if I didn’t know any better, I would say that Coelasquid used you as a reference for Jonesy.
Remember folks, we all have doppelgangers.
I haven’t ever met any of mine personally but others have told me I look like someone they know.
*Cough*
If you’re ever in the Southwestern US and looking for a guy to cosplay Commander…
I got the height and the mutton-chops covered. However I must admit my physique is more “wirey” than “whieght lifter” so my pectorals may not be up to standard. ;)
My best friend would be a perfect Francis from Left4Dead: Same height, build, muscles, goatee and receding hairline. Unfortunately, he has zero interest in video games, except for that Emo Prince Of Persia one from the X-Box days.
Actually, he didn’t want to watch the recent PoP movie: he said ChestyJake was too much of a ‘wimp’ to be the Prince. (Yeah, he’s also ludicriously macho, and I sometimes think he could *really* use the Commander’s help).
I think I could do a decent Canadian Guy… wait no… maybe Jared, but I really don’t — y’know what? No. I can do Jared. Hellz yeah I can. But I’m an NE US’er, so that doesn’t work too well for cos’in with you.
I think it would’ve been kinda cool to see it drawn and colored in on paper, but that’s just me.
Also, “ENTIRE PARTY IS BABY.”
I don’t know, I think Duke could probably make a good Sword Mage.
D&D IS MANLY
THIS PROVES IT
ALWAYS HAS BEEN
BARBARIAN PARTY IS BEST PARTY
Barbarians have Trap Sense, and with enough Full Attacks anything will die eventually!!
And with a few crowbars their combined strength checks make lock picks irrelevant!!!
DR, bit hit dice, super-dodgy skills, massive attacks, RAGE!… but what happens when they go against a wizard? Barbarians are beasts, but they’re not exactly great against a smartly-played wizard…
*D&D uber-nerd*
The way I hear it, nothing is great against a smartly-played wizard. Maybe four Barbarians can partyboy one to death.
The way my bro and I play, we can take down a same-level wizard or cleric pretty quickly. It just involves us yelling at him, and splitting up.
Gotta handle ALL the directions, bro. He can only cast one direction.
Hehehe.
This does not apply in all editions, nor with wizard builds.
Indeed. With enough Empowered Magic Missiles, he can toast BOTH your asses at once.
And yes, I do play 3.5ed. Modified. Heavily.
Of course, if he’s using evocation in the first place, he’s playing pretty suboptimally anyway. So there’s that.
It’s really all about the optimized Transmutation Wizard or Conjuration Specialist. :D
In 3rd edition and 3.5, nothing could touch a Cleric.
Almost all casting classes suffered from attack and damage not rising as fast as saves and HP of the other classes. A properly spec’d Wizard with perfect knowledge of what he’d face before hand and an entire library at his disposal was extremely effective. That’s a lot of caveats, though. Also, most metamagic feats were worthless compared to the feats the other classes received. What it boils down to is this: Wizards were disgustingly powerful in 2nd edition; the D&D team has gimped Wizards terribly since then.
… wow … err … sorry for the nerd rant.
Attack and damage don’t matter if you can cause your enemy to die on a failed save.
There weren’t really any caveats. The wizard has to have a couple spells prepared, and he has to at least try to pick some useful ones. That’s it. Knowing what he’ll face gives him a slight additional advantage, but it’s not like he really needs it. A full library would be helpful, but usually a wizard wouldn’t need it, because wizards generally endeavor to acquire new spells throughout the course of a campaign – and they get free spells at every level, so even with a DM that tries to limit that, the wizard can easily become stronger than anything else.
Sorcerers are slightly inferior do to limited breadth of spell choice (can’t learn spells from scrolls or other people’s books). Clerics and Druids are another step down, due to their spells being less crazy than Wiz/Sorc spells.
Except that druids turn into arbitrarily powerful fuzzy death machines, sometimes without the fuzzy. With full casting. And a pet fighter.
“YOU FOOLS DARE CHALLENGE ME? I AM A DRUID! MY CLASS FEATURES ARE MORE POWERFUL THAN ENTIRE CLASSES!“
Grease, Glitterdust, Haste, Wall of Ice, Fly, Greater Invisibility, Solid Fog, Cloud Kill. That’s pretty much what any wizard should have prepared always. :D
In 3.5? That’s right. In 2e, that’s still true, but other classes get other things too.
In 4e, all classes are about the same, power wise.
…worst mental image… EVER…
you are god to me rate now lol
I will have to say, a Barbarian party is ridiculously fun. There was a time I was running a D&D Game set in Egypt, and there was an unspoken requirement of having at least every PC take one level in Barbarian. Not because I deemed it necessary, but because my PC’s thought that if anyone wanted to play with us, the needed to have ‘These many ranks in Survival’, while in IRL standing up and measuring from the ground up, about 5ft., before being able to join the Adventuring Party.
They rolled around and killed pretty much everything I threw at them, but it was hilariously entertaining.
-theMexican
Silly commander. If you want a wizard, you got to get Doctor Orpheus from the Venture Brothers in on that game.
But… he’s not manly. In any sense of the word. Which is a shame, because he’d be interesting to see pop up in this comic, just to annoy everyone else with his uncomfortably long rants…
True. True. But this does remind me. Why the hell have I not seen Brock Sampson yet?!
Silly comander, he should totally invited Gordon Freeman
Not even a cleric of Kord?
BLOOD AND THUNDER
Every party needs a Cleric!
Total Party Wipeout, that’s all I gotta say
See, this is why I make Cleric’s of St. Cuthbert, God of Retribution. It also makes for awesome ‘you are screwed’ speeches to big bads.
“You have sinned against the light, you are redeemable, unremorseful, and wholly given to darkness. I shall rain upon thee the might and furry of the God of Retribution. You shall be smote in a furious storm of righteousness that shall cleanse this land of your dark taint. And they shall look upon your merciless destruction, and know that it was the fully and eternal might of the Lord brought upon thee to strike thee down to nothing!”
That’s supposed to be ‘irredeemable.’ Stupid auto-correct.
Might and furry?
I smell fanfiction~!
…oh god. Somebody hand me brainbleach!
….*Semite’s Auto-correct.*
I think it got you again. It must be trying to avoid its own doom.
…*kills Auto-correct….violently in a long torturous scene*
Yiff yiff SMITE! Ugh.
An all-melee party wouldn’t be that bad, as long as you cover your bases a bit. I mean, you’ve got Clerics and Druids, various types of Gish builds (arcane magic + melee), and more fighter-ish rogues (or rogue-ish fighters), most of which can fight on the front line as good (or better) as any Fighter. Besides that, Three out of four here use guns, so theoretically they’d be ok with playing an archer or even a blaster mage. But I guess that’s bit of a stretch. Still, if the GM is halfway competent, having an all-melee party shouldn’t be a problem.
/D&Dgeek
See my comment lower down.
I played in a campaign where we were the barabarian horde in a Greek/Roman themed fantasy world (think old-school clash of the titans).
Depends on edition – In 3.5, it’s doable, it would just be kind of boring.
In 4e – melee only is easy. But you’ve got the whole thing with power source and combat roles to think about too.
Speaking of comics: Ever consider putting in Juggernaut or the Hulk? Both meet the pectoral muscle requirement to be considered “manly”! :D
the problem there is that the Hulk only meets this so called requirement half the time. and only when angry, I think he’d be seen as unemployable for his uncontrollable rage… just sayin.
Given this agency’s skill at placement, that would probably mean Hulk would have a job at a call center.
Haven’t there been like, a hundred alt-world and Bizarro and Earth-2 and clones and alien doppelganger and non-alien doppelganger and alien non-doppelganger and time-traveling and comatose fantasy and hallucination and on and on for every permutation of “comic book writers are hacks” variations of The Hulk where at least a dozen of them were smart and didn’t go in for the mindless rage?
Because to me, smart Hulk plus Coelasquid’s take on Duke Nukem smells like comedy gold. Or smart Hulk plus Jared. Or plus the Commander. Actually, Smart Hulk plus Coelasquid equals comedy gold, I think.
I’m sure one would switch to a paladin easily enough.
Dude, I know what you mean, the saying “Bros before Hoes” does imply to many factors. I always chose my wingmen over a few dates with women, and even some girl who wanted me to go see some movie with her and possibly have sex. The many possibilities of actually getting laid never happening because of one factor, I had an obligation with my Buds to go out, I am loyal to my brothers. And we are uber nerds, Magic the Gathering FTW.
…isn’t the whole point of having a Wingman so that he can HELP GET YOU LAID? I understand having loyalty to such friends, but you are CLEARLY not using your resources wisely…
That depends. In the USAF the guy or gal next to you is your “wingman” even if you aren’t a pilot. So, really “wingman” is just another term for “buddy.” At least that’s how it is for me. My wingmen DO help me get laid; however, in all fairness, we put down the cards… I wholeheartedly agree though. It doesn’t matter how sharp you are if no one is watching your back, and you want to be able to trust the person who is. A good wingman will never abandon you. A good wingman is worth their weight in gold.
You do have a point, but like Chrysknife said, a wingman isn’t just a term for people who helps you get laid, its more than that, its someone who truly got your back in any situation, weither its trying to get a girl or a game, they are your bros, and you should always put the obligation of the team before your own desires. I don’t use my friends to benefit my own, I see it as a copartnership so if I am out with some random girl who i have a chance of sex later and i have to meet my wingmen later to do something else though, I will choose them over the girl, because we look out for eachother. Oh and by the way everyone else who has replied to me, Real Men do Play Magic, just Manly Men play Red/Black Burn bitches >:D
So… a mythical beast then. Work of fiction.
Lol MtG, I think manly charactors would play red green beefy creature decks that play very simply…
I believe in balance with the whole bros be fore hoes thing… Just remember you gotta treat your member like a bro now and then.
Speaking of red/green beefy creature decks… I’ve got a nice one. It’s more mana acceleration and manipulation than it is beefy creatures but I will then pull out a Deus of Calamity (Shadowmoor) and attach two Mageslayers (Alara Reborn) to it to take out a minimum of two lands and deal at least 12 damage. max is 3 lands and 18 damage with that setup… and I could add my third mageslayer (not being played) for another 6 damage and another destroyed land of my opponent’s. Oh, yeah. don’t forget the playset of Pelakka Wurm. Love those things.
Manly men play with Llanowar elves. The elves flex their well-toned muscles in unison, Groaning and sweating as their shirtless bodies yield green mana unto the planeswalker. The planeswalker, himself shirtless and toned, forms the mana into a grizzly bear.
God this just made me die in laughter, I am so gonna put this up as my status on facebook and give you credit for this, this is truly the best thing ever.
“Hoes”? If you aren’t paying for it then choose a less putrid term. Real men like women and don’t use such an inferior word.
Well shit he shaved again.
Is he being pussy whipped or something because of a super secret relationship with that girl that has a dispute involving pash rash?
…Maybe he got bored of the beard?
It looks like it’s just not that cold out any more.
There’s a reason Canadian Guy has that thick manly beard.
It is COLD up here.
Heh, Sten :3
COME ON GUYS. PALADIN! RANGER! Hell even a druid! Turn into a friggin BEAR! MAUL SOMEONE WITH YOUR BEAR HANDS.
Druids are the most manly.
Druid/Monk, so you can maul people with your bare bear hands.
Duke Nukem has the boot-to-ass skill at level 1. He chose his feet becoming adamantine over his fists. Heavy on the other hand plays the Monk class as is.
An epic duel to be had no doubt.
Gimmie.
Manly men don’t need to be furry to maul people with their bare hands.
Yay! Heavy!
And yes, when you are DM for D&D, you don’t just ditch your responsibilities.
I am kind of assuming that the Commander is the only one with the patience, or quite possibly the literacy, to have read the rule books. Most of the others would have screamed “this makes no sense, arrgh (*sounds of ripping*)” at some point prior to their first game. This is also what makes him the commander anyway, property leases, insurance, taxes…. I can’t imagine most of the guys who pass through dealing too rationally with any of that.
As has been noted he could not bail since he is the DM. I have a mental picture of the others sitting around the table with a pile of books and dice in the middle having an intimidation contest…. and the books win.
Also the sense of responsibility in the Commander probably extends to not being frivolous with Jonesy assuming he is aware of her crush, as she is one of his team. And like so many heroes “Relationships” may be the one thing he is truly afraid of.
Actually, in an earlier comic, Duke was shown to be a HUGE nerd. He most likely knows how to play and play well.
Sten in the game (at least to me) seemed to have an above-average level of intelligence, if not a high one and he seemed patient. He could have easily learned the game rules, I think.
Heavy, I’m guessing his entire strategy consists of: “CLEAVE THEM!” I think he’d take feats without careful considerations to optimization.
Lobo. Geez, that guy would learn the rules just to Munchkin the hell out of his character.
I thought it was also mentioned in “Poker Night at the Inventory” that the Heavy was a college graduate, with a major in Literature or something.
EDIT: Went and researched it:
An in-game conversation suggests that the Heavy is very educated, having gone to college and receiving a PhD in Russian literature. When asked if he uses his education in his line of work, he responds with “More than you would think.”
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Heavy#Trivia
I think he’d read it…in Russian.
Wait, so Commander has a thing for red-haired girl?
Well considering she’s been the one to make a move every time, I suspect it’s the other way around.
Nah, Commander’s just shy.
…manly men can be shy, too…
I think it’s obvious that he has a thing for gingers… Take his ex-wife for example but I don’t think he’s all that interested in dating atm.
Why do I have a vision of you all lazily wrapping your modem cords around your fingers, as you lie on your beds, kicking your legs behind you?
…What?
I think he’s comparing us to the old stereotype of the gossiping teenage girl, always on the phone.
I haven’t heard anyone refer to that since cellphones and internets became commonplace.
I don’t know what’s sadder. The fact that Legowombat used that ye old stereotype, or the fact that you and I are old enough to get it. -.-;
. . . Do I look like the Nostalgia Critic? XD
You’d think that Duke at the very least would be all up on long-range explosions.
Ah, well. They’ll learn. *slips the Commander an encounter sheet for a Nightmare/Wraith battle*
Man, I would not want to play with Lobo. I mean, what an asshole he’d be! (At least he’s not the GM.)
Also, my friend showed me Ugly Americans this last weekend? I laughed.
Actually, Lobo’s an awesome sport when it comes to games. (Poker, “Beat the Reaper”, etc.) It’s only when someone cheats or let’s him win that he RAGES. XD
I was just playing D&D tonight! It isn’t just for manly, manly dudes anymore.
I would donate some monies to keep this comic going!
still waiting for Shepard, now that Sten is regular.
Would it be a standard Shepard, or maybe a butch FemShep that blends in with a manly world?
I atleast thought my FemShep did pretty well against the Krogans.
*grabs quad*
Fem!Shep is as manly, if not more so, than Male Shepard.
Headbutt the krogan, all the krogan.
Hey, if it’s profitable to remake those tiger plush sharks you once mentioned…hell, do what other webcomics do and open up a store. Certainly you could make a neat and tidy profit of selling shirts at the bare minimum with some of those outstanding facial expressions.
Hell, if I could I’d buy a large pink tee of Jared riding Mr. Fish with appropriate “I’M THE KING OF EVERYTHING!” caption, I’d sink down the cash.
…shit, now I’m thinking that even I would buy one of those shirts. And I don’t even like pink. But I would die for a shirt like that. Or kill for. Whichever is manlier.
Tough Guys Wear Pink.
Problem is I’m too much of a pacifist to go to war, and then there’s the bible with all that ‘Thou shalt not kill thy neighbours”.
…Then again, the bible is also fuzzy on the subject of kneecaps.
Tough Guys don’t let stereotypical color and gender relativity define whether they wear a color.
They just grab at the first thing they can find in the closet that fits and will reasonably serve the task at hand.
See, funny that you mention the “Thou shalt not kill thy neighbor” bit. The Israelites did a LOT of neighbor-killin’.
Why do you think God was always down on them? Sick bastard was always giving contradictory commandments. Probably plays a wizard in D&D.
pfffft! I just spat coffee all over my mac…
God would totally play a wizard.
The ‘I love capitalism’ with a huge picture of Jared foaming at the mouth would make an amazing t-shirt. I’d buy it in a heartbeat.
A store sure is an interesting idea !
Bros before hos, as the saying goes.
Also as far as the broken tablet goes have you tried ductape?
Yeah, but it doesn’t work. it’s not that the cord needs to stay still, it’s that whenever the tablet moved the cord would cut out again and need to be repositioned. So every time I put down the tablet or shifted position at all, I had to fight with the cord to find the angle it would work at again
My tablet did the same thing for a long time (longer than an entire semester), and eventually I just had to snap and get a new one.
A Bamboo pen is only like, $70 at BestBuy…
Wire short? If so … try slitting the casing near that kink with a razorblade. Strip the insulation off the bad section, find the bit what’s frayed out and resolder the connection. Close with electrical tape or a wire butt connector and you should be solid. Check out Instructables.com, you might even find a step-by-step illustrated process if playing with wiring makes you nervous.
On second thought, if you’re soldering forget the butt connector. That’s for joining two bits of wire without solder. It really does sound like a wire short, and they are pretty easy to fix if you know just where the short is!
A multimeter would probably help troubleshoot that … just a good ol’ continuity test.
Oh, it’s definitely a wire short, but it’s at the very base of where the wire connects, which is even deeper inside the tablet than you can get to when you take out the screws and pull off the back panel. It’s kind of a moot point, though, I already bought a new one nearly a week ago.
Bummer, I bet that could’ve been fixed even if you had to resolder connection points to the circuit board.
The wife’s tablet had an issue quite similar to that. Being the comp tech I am, I just ripped the thing apart, cut the wire to remove the bad section, soldered the whole thing back together, and now it works like new. Its magic! X3 Well.. okay.. So it isnt.. I just didn’t want to hear her grump about it anymore. lol.
My dad took a look at it when I was home in Manitoba, but he couldn’t guarantee that it would work, and if it didn’t I was going to be out a tablet for however long it was going to take to replace it. (being that they don’t have tablets off the shelves in Northern Manitoba and I didn’t know what the state of the electronics stores were going to be in Southern California on New year’s eve/day there was no telling how long that was going to be)
I’m just… so happy to see more Heavy.
So happy.
Heavy makes you feel all warm inside, doesn’t he?
He’s missing his bandolier, though. :3c
Why would he bring his bandoleer to DND night? He’s not gonna be shooting anybody.
…Though he did bring it to Poker Night.
Presumably, after the events of some particular poker night, he was asked to no longer bring his bandoleer to games.
I wonder what other classes from TF2 would be considered manly. The only one I could think of would be the soldier.
If you’ve ever managed to read the fan-written story about a psychiatrist evaluating the Red team you’d find they’re all pretty fucking twisted.
But my money’s on the Spy, he’s that “bad boy smooth criminal” sort. And equally sadistic when it comes to killing.
Which fanfiction was that? It actually sounds really interesting.. o.o;;
Got a link? :D
Right here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.88952-Team-Fortress-2-A-Psychiatric-Evaluation?page=1
Hmm… maybe I’m being dense, but what’s the title referencing? Vin?
Vin Diesel is a massivle D&D fanboy. He even did the foreword to the retrospective “Thirty Years of Adventure: A Celebration of Dungeons & Dragons” book. As he put it in a Riddick Interview;
Q: Is it true you’re really into Dungeons and Dragons?
VIN: No. I never play D&D. For some reason, they thought that I played D&D for 20 years. They thought that I spent years playing Barbarians, Witchunters, The Arcanum. They thought I played D&D back in the ’70s when it’s just the basic D&D set. They thought I continued to play D&D when it became Advanced Dungeons and Dragons. They thought I played D&D when there were only three books – the “Player’s Handbook,” the “Monster’s Manual” and the “Dungeon Master’s Guide.” They thought I played D&D as it continued onto the Unearthed Arcanum, Oriental Adventures, Sea Adventures, Wilderness Adventures. THEY thought I played D&D at the time when “Deities and Demigods” was the brand new book. THEY thought I played D&D when I used to get up to a place called The Complete Strategist in New York.
[Mouths: “I’m into D&D a lot.”]
The Video game company that put out the Chronicles of Riddick games?
He Owns It.
Hell, I watch him on Facebook, he is Incredibly close and respectful of his Latin roots.
Wait, I did not know of this interview. I have the Thirty Years Of Adventure book and loved his foreword, but now I NEED to see this interview. It sounds epic.
The rest of the interview is just in the red text link.
*cough*
The jar is waiting…
Holy shit! ROB? I had no idea you were a fan!
(Greatshoyru here)
But… but… I didn’t mean… I just…. Q.Q *puts a dollar in the Epic jar*
This is one of the coolest things I’ll read today.
And it’s only 8:30 AM.
Someone go ranger. You get to shoot people in the face.
Hot damn, I love a good session of D&D! Can I join their group? They’d have a spellcaster then! Hell, if I could bring some of my gang along, they’d have at least a Rogue and a Bard, too!
In all seriousness, though, this is extremely cool. Also, good luck with the whole tablet situation.
… If I were in Sarah’s place, I’d probably come to the same conclusion. But were I to find out the truth later, my reaction would only be “D: I wanna plaaaaaay~ Can I make a thief or something and steal the king’s pet ginormous monster?”
(Also, nice casual wear, Sten. It made me think you looked more relaxed without realizing exactly why.)
Been so long since I’ve played D&D… ;A;
Oh my god I want to be in that game.
Ps: Sten is already quite hot, but the way you draw him amps it up to 11. I’m pretty sure I’m going to desperately hope he shows up in every comic from now on.
My friend met her husband at a D&D night, how geeky is that XD
Totally love this comic, every time i think it’s as awesome as it could ever get, you pull something even more awesome outta the bag!
I COMPLETELY agree.
Heh, I’d totally DM for you lovely people. Would be a blast if the comments are any indication.
:) I love Duke Nukem.
See, Commander? This is what happens when you leave Kratos out. You lose the only guy willing to play Ranger.
He’s probably still playing Gay Chicken with Leoniadas. It’s only been 3 1/2 weeks!
First I would like to thank you for an awesome comic, it has given me many laughs so far and I suspect it will continue to do so.
The thing with this strip however is that I think it would be alot funnier if you cut the two last panels. My thought is that the joke has allready been made as we both realize that the commander was talking about D&D and the stare of doom from his players tell us they’re not going to be picking another class. Sure, the last bit keeps the joke going, but does it need to?
This is just my personal opinion, and I am not ranting or trolling here. Just wanted to bring some critique to a comic that I would like to see more of.
The last bit is more specific to the games the characters are from. Like in Dragon Age, Sten frequently reminds you that Qunari keep mages on leashes with handlers and cut their tongues out if they step out of line. I try to draw strips that have a couple different things going on, so there’s a joke there if you’ve never played the game, but there are more jokes to be had if you have. Like that Resident Evil one a while back with Krauser dressed up as Chris Redfield. If you don’t know anything at all about Resident Evil you get the “ha, awkward gay joke.”, if you have a surface knowledge of Resident Evil, you get the “ha ha, Chris got huge like Krauser all of the sudden for no reason”, and if you’ve actually played Code Veronica, RE4, and RE5, you get “ha ha ha, Krauser was obsessed with Wesker, but Wesker devotes a great deal of attention to Chris. Chris showed up in the newest game with a hulking physique very similar to Krauser’s and the strip implies foul play was involved”
But yeah, no worries. I appreciate critique, it means you care :P
I disagree with Cyberborn and say that your attempt has worked! I don’t honestly know 75% of these games, but your wonderful writing has help me enjoy it all the way through.
Don’t listen to people like that. The comic was brilliant. The last two panels were the kicker, for me.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Why should they be, when it’s wrong? :P
Don’t make me call the opinion police.
We don’t want to teach them WHAT to think, only HOW.
Sure, but not everyone is entitled to kneecaps. Knowwhaddamsayin?
oh god the crop tool brigade rides again
Best get Jared in, then. He can be a Thief/Cleric/Wizard (The one multi-class combination I wish I could have played in Baldur’s Gate 2) and handle everything that isn’t hitting things with weapons.
Jared would be a minstrel. And annoy them until the harsh winter hits and they’re forced to eat him.
Nah, he’d be a Summoner so he could legally bring Mr. Fish into the game.
(does such a class exist? Heh)
There is a spell you can research, as a wizard, called Summon (creature). I’m a little fuzzy on the rules since my DM mentioned it (online) to another group of players, but it essentially was pick a creature up to 2 times your level in HD and you can summon it.
So, Summon Mr. Fish (Summon Bigger Fish :D) could work assuming you could determine his HD
Summon Bigger Mr Fish?! This cannot be! ARGGHHHHHH! *Generic Castlevania sound effect*
Wizards and Clerics are packets of nukes when using the right build. The only difference? The Wizard carries 10 for every 1 of the Cleric’s. Ultimately this means little if you’re in the middle, you’re boned either way, bring Mr Fish into the deal and everyone dies in sheer glory.
The new(er) Pathfinder RPG uses DnD 3.5’s rules, only updated and streamed a bit..
But they have a Summoner Class here: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/summoner
In Pathfinder, it does. In teh Advanced Player’s Guide. I’m suprised no one has mentioned Pathfinder yet, seeing as it’s merely an amped up and streamlined version of 3.5, though I’m only(as of this moment) at this point in the comments.
Foul typos. I meant to type the.
Monty Python reference!!!
I meant that for Coelasquid
Yay~ \●u●/
LOBO!!! Y’know, it’s funny – At first, I thought that you accidentally drew him too short… But then I remembered that everybody in that room is a king-size package of beef.
Okay, getting over fanboy-pleasing cameo… Another very funny installment. I like how you play with those stereotypes (nerd vs. macho man) while undermining them at the same time.
Also, your knack for detail remains amazing. The scroll-style textbox is such a neat touch to set the mood for what they’re doing.
Actually, if you think about it, Heavy is the one drawn a tad short. The man was towering over Demoman and Soldier, who were both respectively around 6’0 and 6’2.
Height, for the most part, doesn’t matter because all of the characters are so exaggerated it would be ridiculous to try to put them in a lineup together. Sten is a good head taller than average European men, so that would put him around seven feet. Lobo is 7’6″ and 640lb according to DC, but I don’t think you usually see him drawn a full head and a half taller than 6’2″ Bruce Wayne or 6’3″ Clark Kent. TF2 characters are cartoonishly exaggerated, it’s like arguing how tall Mr. Incredible is supposed to be. Duke would probably be the smallest one there, by which I mean the only human-sized one.
Kratos, according to the GoW designers, is something like nine feet tall. Imagine how retarded it would look if every time I drew him he was three heads taller than everybody. You’ve just gotta find a happy medium that looks right in context. For reference sake, this is what a 7’2″, 420lb person looks like next to regular people.
Dalip Singh. I remember him.
He was so big in the Longest Yard they had to split his shoes, and he actually looked smaller when wearing his football gear than without because it made him look similar to the others.
From what I understand, he’s approximately the same height as Shaq (People figure his billed “7’3″ height is inflated from something probably closer to 7’1”) Shaq’s got a bigger shoe size, though, at size 23 VS Dalip’s 18. Dalip’s supposed to have got about 95lbs on him, though.
I pay a lot of attention to how huge these huge guys are so I can see how you fit an eckbawks dude next to regular people :P
Yea, I went to school with a guy, Brian P., while we were juniors in high school he got a pair of shoes from Shaq, but outgrew them by the time we were seniors. :s
I’m not sure how big his shoe size was finally, over size 25 I’m sure.
That is some INTENSE knowledge right there bro.
Duke should totally roll a bard.
I totally miss Cleric-ing. Nothing like decent hit dice, plate armor, religious zeal and a BIG ASS SLEDGEHAMMER. Of course, I played 2nd edition AD&D, so who knows what nonsense they’ve gotten up to with classes anymore. Prestige classes? Whassat?
THUD, god of BREAKIN’ STUFF, no like Prestige Classes. THUD like breakin.
Better than the Cleric of the Filth Dragon we had in one of our campaigns…
As if D&D really needed a dragon deity of sexual innuendo.
Is Heavy Weapons Guy in the support group along with Duke, Stein(and I’m assuming Lobo)? The way I’ve see it Heavy Weapons Guy wouldn’t want to relocate into a normal position, because he loves his job. Not really nitpickin’, just curious. :B
Also, awesome comic. Maybe Sten could take the prestige class Berserker? Eh, eh?
…I think I’m done here.
If he weren’t, would that really be the reason he’s not part of the D&D gig? In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if Lobo wasn’t a member of the agency either. I don’t see the Main Man ever looking for a mundane job.
If he weren’t, would that really prevent him from being part of the D&D gig?*
Sorry. Badly worded question.
No one’s at this place because they don’t like their job. They’re their because they got laid off or something, which would apply to Heavy as well.
Ah, alright. I sort of assumed they might be from the agency, kinda like AA buddies going for a cup of coffee or bowling. You tend to do stuff with people from your circle of influence. Never meant to imply the Commander had only friends in that influence. /shrug
Also, I was really just curious why, if ever, someone like the Heavy would be forced to retire. Sounds like a good story to me. P:
Playing capture the flag all day isn’t enough to fund his fancy hat collecting anymore.
Not to mention buying ammo for his gun. How much does it take to fire it for 12 seconds again?
‘It costs four hundred thousand dollars to fire this weapon, for twelve seconds.’
Like the lumberjacks who chop the wood for fun after work.
I’ve been reading this comic for a while now and I just wanted to extend to you my most sincere appreciation for what you do. Not only is this comic funny, it also offers a place for some of my favorite characters to come together. I also learned today from your comic that Vin Diesel of all people plays D&D. I guess there’s a D&D nerd in the most unlikely of people. Keep up the great work. :)
Also when are we going to see Bill or Francis in this comic? They’re pretty manly…
I do not know which Bill and Francis you are referring to…
I think he means those dudes from the first Left For Dead, the biker and the retired military guy.
Bill and Francis from the Left 4 Dead games, probably.
I’d say if Bill was be in the comic, he’d be in another city, running another support center, just like the Commander. Competent, instead of competitive.
“was TO be…” Gahhh, bloody Steam holiday sale, too many games, not enough sleep.
Ellis’s friend Keith and Chicago Ted are more manly than Bill and Francis
You bring that golden calf bullshit into this house of Brando one more time and I swear I will discipline you.
Those are the guys. :)
LOLOLOL Rouge aand spy. XDDD
Also Sten rocks.
D&D YES!!!
One of them could be a warldord. And I’m sure Lobo would agree to play a shaman if he was promised to have a dolphin spirit companion.
Spy sappin’ my date night?
heavy weapons guy would actually fit in here at MGDMT, unfortuanately there’d be two of him… dressed in two different colors… now about that spy… he should already know, that the cake is a lie… oh how I do like my Valve games…
I’m a DM.
I solve problems.
Not problems like, “what is metagaming,” as that would fall under the purview of yer conundrums of philosophy.
I solve practical problems.
Like, “how do I stop this mean Mother Hubbard from summoning his mount to appear 200 feet above the head of my main villain who’s supposed to survive for six more adventures?”
The answer: use Rule 0.
If that don’t work, use more Rule 0.
Like this little “it doesn’t work because the dungeon is shielded from summoning mounts. It just is. No, I don’t have to roll” beauty.
Designed by me.
Built by me.
And you’d best hope –
Not pointed at you.
Rogue: Did anyone happen to kill an enemy rogue on the way in here? No? Then we have a problem.
Fighter: And a knife. Odd. The enemy rogue didn’t take the drop with him?
… Scout… (Couldn’t figure out an appropriate equivalent): Oohoohoo! Big problem! Mind you, I’ve killed plenty of rogues! They’re a dime a dozen backstabbing scumbags! Like you! …No offense.
Rogue: If you managed to kill them, I assure you they were not like me. And nothing… Nothing like the man loose inside this castle!
Scout: What are ya? Head of his fan guild?
Rogue: No… That would be your MOTHER!
Scout: … Wait a sec, DM. Can he do that? Please tell me he can’t do that.
I’d say Ranger as a substitute for Scout, if you’re talking main classes. If not, Scout works fine for Scout. (The Scout class was in a supplement book. Essentially stealthy, quick-moving, and good with ranged weapons.)
See, my response would be “Your horse appears, screeches in terror and urinates. Whilst falling, the Bad Guy hears this conundrum and steps to one side. Your horse is dead, the Bad Guy is not. Roll for initiative!”
I suppose the same could be said of the
-crescendo-
IMMOVABLE ROD
Did anyone else fan-girl over the fact that Lobo has finally made an appearance in this comic? And the fact that the commander knows him and considers him “one of the guys” just adds to his coolness points. How can he get anymore awesome than he is right now?!
Awesome! Lobo is here!
…Wait, does he actually use the temp agency? Cause he might not appear much, but he is a bounty hunter…
These are just his D&D buddies.
He can’t hide his D&D forever, one day she will have to be told the ugly truth.
Question, what are they drinking?
They’d only drink the best, so it must be, The Best Beer Ever!!!! or TBBE
Must be Belgian.
Moosehead.
Nice one!
Immediately I thought about DnD or some other role playing game instead of actual gambling, marvelous quirk!
Have turned down job shifts if I had already plans for some pen’n’paper playing, don’t have games everyday so all of them counts! I have dated mostly nerds so there have never been much trouble when it comes to playing, except with some of the mundanes… Right now in a relationship with another role player and we are as happy as ever.
ps. how happy was I when I heard that Vin Diesel himself played DnD when he was young?!^^
You know, a while back I got the idea that we should see Duke in a DnD game at some point. I was gonna make a comment about it, but then I thought, “you know what Coelasquid’s got this, he’ll do it on his own when he’s good and ready.”
As a side note you can combo monk/cleric pretty nicely, works like a paladin without the lawful dumb rep. Works especially well if you have the right books.
Not trying to sound like a jerk, but just to correct: Coela is a girl. Again, no hard feelings intended.
On a side note, nice comic! I do enjoy seeing more Heavy. Hopeful to see him again in the future! I don’t believe I know who Lobo is though. Also, are we ever going to see more of Jared’s parents? Just as a question, but it would be a kinda nice storyarc twist.
Wow, I don’t know how I missed that, I’d taken a quick loot at the about page and read her real name, but somehow it just had not clicked that she was female.
Woo, D&D night!
“Undergound” in panel 3 should be “Underground.”
ROGUES ARE BABIES!
Did anyone else instantly thought of the Bro Code after reading “And besides, you just don’t bail on your boys like that.”?
Dammit, that should be ROGUES IS BABIES.
… with an exclamation mark at the end.
Make android app with adds for cash
-or-
Start making shirts and sell them.
Do what every other webcomic does :P
Problem is more not having time to do things than not knowing what to do.
It’s not a problem as long as you buy cure minor wounds healing potions for 50gp a piece, and take mageslayer feats. Also, at level 6 you can take leadership and get a caster as a cohort.
Damn strait you don’t bail on you boys. My friends could learn a lesson form this.
Sounds like you need better friends, bud.
You know, I’m not sure if this was pointed out as I refuse to read everyone’s comments, but Lobo is modeled after a KISS-era rockstar; wouldn’t he fit as a bard?
Lobo was basically modeled after Simon Bisley at the time he redesigned him. They even have a one shot where he goes to a convention to buy the death of Superman comic and everyone thinks he’s the Bisley so they make him sit on a panel and critique portfolios. It’s pretty great.
I’m going to have to find that.
I think it’s just called “Lobo Convention Special” or something creative like that.
http://space-kitten.org/iwaku/customavatars/avatar58_16.gif <— This guy says you rule and stuff. He's making me do this. He's also asking you for Mr. Fish.
Pfft, that’s what he gets for not inviting Ganondorf. Then again, Ganny would have probably punched Sten after his last line, but that’s probably how all their games end anyway.
Don’t worry. Ganondorf would have spent like 3 years charging up his warlock punch.
They would have gone through games time and time again.
“HAAAAAAAAAAAA- saving throw! – AAAAGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH-“
That’s why I like Ganny … he takes his time and really charges it up, and the impact is devastating. <3
Gawd, this made me almost go back to playing D&D Online.
As I´m a antisocial prick in RL, online is the only way to scratch my D&D itch. :P
And props for the Vin trivia. Somehow I´m not surprised you´re one of them Bastiches privy to that information, Coel.
Awesome comic as always.
DnD is very awesome, but lets not forget Heavy Weapons Guy and Duke Nukem
Duke has nothing on HWG, He has a degree in russian literature AND a machinegun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpcgZPbCEGs
I would join in on that game to to fill the Rogue position.
You can stop writing Badass into your dream guy, Squid.
Seeing how you know almost nothing about me and my tastes, I wonder what exactly you’re basing that assumption on.
Well, they do say that women are attracted to men that remind him of your father, and you outright said Canadian Guy is a dead ringer for your father, ipso facto…
*shrug* Just saying the reasoning is there.
…remind THEM of THEIR father… makes it sound like every woman alive is hot for guys who are hot for your dad, which would just be awkward…
Heaven knows you wouldn’t want to sound awkward when insinuating women want to have sex with their fathers.
All women are female versions of Oedipus. They want to sleep with their fathers and kill their mothers. *Eyeroll*
Besides, if she’s projecting her daddy issues on the characters as Shadow did more than imply clumsily, I wouldn’t want to see what made her do Big Daddy the way she did. *Brr*
Now that we got that idiocy from my system. There’s not an iota wrong with the characters Coelasquid writes. Badass and sensitive man can mix together, people are complicated that way. John McClain from Die Hard is another good example. He busts criminals, faces worse odds than anyone can hope for, all because he wants to protect a woman he’s having marital difficulties with. Every badass has a sensitive side. Every badass finds a way to let his emotions show, whether it be kissing the woman they spent 2 hours trying to protect or save in relief that the crap is done with, or bringing hell on those that kill who they love.
Besides, the comic is Manly Guys Doing Manly Things. If you came into this and expected a comic version of The View, then Whoopi Goldberg, you’re in for dissapointment.
For women, I do believe it’s called an Elektra complex, as opposed to an Oedipus complex. Same thing, different genders, different myth.
Hypothetically, let’s say your write a character that draws a lot from your mom’s personality. An internet stranger reasons that because this character is similar to your mother, it means they must be some kind of wish fulfillment fapfiction outlet for you. Hypothetically speaking, of course, would you think this person was more “creepy”, “Kind of an idiot”, or “kind of a creepy idiot”.
I mean, obviously, I must have completely tripped over my ovaries while I was writing this. I’ve betrayed my delicate sensibilities by writing an action hero dad type of character who kicks ass and cares about kids, because paying any attention to something that isn’t old enough to drive a car and shoot a gun is a curiosity invented by ladies. Well, it’s okay if characters like that exist in things like Taken, Death Race, Sin City, Kindergarten Cop, Last Action Hero, the Rocky series, Tightrope, True Grit, The Punisher, and the like because they were written by men and as such remain pure and free from influence by the estrogen madness.
Basically, it’s pretty fucking insulting when people decide a girl doing a story with a male lead is automatically just making some inane personal fanservice thing. It’s why people like SE Hinton pretended to be men when they published their stuff, because a lot of guys seem to make really ignorant assumptions about female writers.
You speak the truth. If there’s not an Agenda being shoved at me, an artist’s plumbing is the last thing I think about when I’m partaking of their art.
I read “Templar, Arizona” for years before finding out that Spike is a woman, and also black. And you know how much that revelation changed my experience of Templar? Not at all. The art is the thing, not the artist (despite the attempts of talentless pop stars to convince people otherwise).
Slow Clap.
Actually i thought it was pretty damn refreshing that you wrote a character who could hold his own in a bar fight and still have a sensitive side. I hate that in most movies and shows manly guys aren’t allowed to feel more than lust and rage. Or that sensitive guys are all under 150 pounds :P its a load of crap just cause i guy’s 6’5″ and 230lbs doesn’t mean that he don’t care about other people.
SE Hinton is kind of a bad example. I thought Ponyboy was a girl long before I found out that SE Hinton was a woman.
I think I might blame that more on your reading comprehension than SE Hinton as an example, personally… to say nothing of That Was Then This is Now, Tex, and Rumblefish.
Maybe. I’ll admit that I was so put off by “The Outsiders” that I never picked her up again, so it’s entirely possibly that once she was, you know, out of highschool her writing improved. Still, I don’t think I’ve ever met an (or been) an adolescent boy that gushes over how attractive his own brothers are in quite the same creepy that way Ponyboy does.
Proofread first; post second. *FACEPALM*
To be completely fair, I must admit that I skipped most of the comments, once I read a couple of lines and realized my comment was taken way out of … ah, what’s the word… It just didn’t come out the way it was supposed to.
I have a tenancy to offend people. It’s not intentional, I just lack tact. I’ve been compared to Sheldon from Big Bang Theory on many occasions by my closest friends, because I have a habit of looking at things a bit differently, and saying inappropriate things without realizing it. So, for that, I apologize for implying what I accidentally implied about Coel.
You’re an awesome comicker, and love the fact that you worked on Ugly Americans. I meant no disrespect.
By that failed logic, all video game creators should also stop designing one-dimensional player characters that are nothing more than embodiments of immature physical-and-sexual power fantasies for eternally-adolescent, socially-impotent Beta Males, hence the endless range of ludicriously-macho supporting characters for this very strip.
When Alan Wake ran for 20 steps and then started lamely huffing and puffing through the woods, it was the first time I’ve felt any kind of recognisable connection with a video game character.
You can run a perfectly good “Low-Fantasy” campaign with just fighters and Barbarians.
Heck on of the best parties I was ever in was comprised of 3 Fighters and a Barbarian/Cleric. (Tribal Shaman)
The world was based on Greek/Roman mythology and we were “the Barbarians at the Gate”
D&D never looked so manly until now. That hand motion in panel 2 is a bit iffy =D
ahaha yeaaaah, the second and third panels are pretty Oh Exploitable out of context…
Wow….I fangasmed when I saw Lobo. *runs in circles squeeing like the little girl I am*
I loved the comic where he went up against Wolvie…In a space-bar…..2 of my fav macho guys from the 2 big companies.
But…On to the comic! I love D&D!! I only wish I could play more often. But both of my DM’s have flaked out on me…One just got a new job/girlfriend/place and can’t be as steady as he would like & therefor decided it was not fair to us to have shoddy games due to work schedules and location.(his girlfriend expressed interest in playing, so no loss of concentration there) And the other one REALLY flaked….He walked out on his wife (who saw our healer in game) and left town with no notice. At least he left the character sheets so I can re-use my drow ranger. I liked her…Except my penchant for picking things that I find up had just gotten her cursed by a weapon that tries to mind control her & change her alignment. ^^; …….I really have to stop doing that…Second cursed weapon I have acquired. First one got me killed, pickled, and then rezzed & then a fight with a trapped Quotzle. (or however you spell that name)
Man….I miss D&D…..I love this page though.
Love the Czarnian!
Glad to see that chivalry’s not dead.
When I saw this, I thought several things:
1. D&D YESSSSS
2. Hey, I’m a rogue! /indignant
3. Bros before hos?
And then just now:
4. I kind of miss the beard.
Hey, there’s plenty of manly alternatives for whimpy classes in D&D 4E. Like the Warlord, Paladin, Warlock… kind of… Hunter? Maybe?
Okay, perhaps there isn’t. Warlord and Paladin, definitely, but you can only take things so far.
Paladin that worships Kord is manly. Drinking, fighting, belching contests, he’s more manly than the Warlord.
Rangers can be manly too. In fact I would say every class in 4th edition can be manly. It just depends on your play style. Just like a fighter can be played as a dandy ponce.
Great comic series, and I do understand the matter of guys before women; too bad some guys’ girlfriends didn’t. It wasn’t uncommon for a buddy’s clingy girlfriend to being a nuisance in an attempt at getting his attention, disrupting whatever thing we were doing.
You know, I would have assumed that Duke’s geeky side would compel him to roll a wizard (with an elaborately-crafted backstory in an attempt to obfuscate the min-maxing).
It’s good to see the Heavy in the comics.
I DEMAND GUNTHER FROM DEUS EX
I VANTED ORAHNGE
LAPUTIN MACHINE
Did he just reference Mistborn, or am I totally off mark?
I don’t know what mistborn is, so I couldn’t tell you.
D&D session and character of Riddick is missing. tsk tsk.
He’s too pro for newbies like them.
skipping on D&D night is punishable by death!… of your character sheet.
We’ll never forget what happened the day Igor played Brentton’s character.
I can’t quite tell if Jonesy is offended by being turned down. I mean I think I would be.
Also… why wasn’t Jared invited? They could force him to be a wizard or a bard. xP
Bless him, but I don’t think Jared would have the imagination to play D&D. I honestly doubt he could immerse himself in a game if it’s not in front of his face in the latest gen graphics and with ten year olds calling him homophobic epithets over voice chat.
LOBO! LOBO! YEAH!! THREE CHEERS FER THE MAIN MAN!!!
Ctrl+F reveals that my “Bros before hoes” comment has been done and done again.
… as a chick, I say: fair ’nuff.
Finally, Lobo! I knew he’d be bound to make an appearance sometime.
Well, they were all invented by nerds…. :D
Do any of these guys play video games? That just seems dangerous.
You know, if this wasn’t exactly like everyone else in my group (Except with Paladins and Barbarians), I would probably put my palm to my face and shake my head while chuckling. But since it resembles them exactly, I have to laugh out lout.
Maybe one could compromise and be a paladin?
FFFFFF–
see, i’ve seen a party of clerics just. kill EVERYTHING. it was brutal and i almost cried tears of manly joy. all that was missing was the penis that would make me more manly.
annnd i’d send you my table, but ahhh, i use it too often.
FAK. *tablet.
ahahaha. table. woooow.
I gues “assassins creed” would’ve accepted to rol as Roughe… although I understand why he wasn’t invited, the guy is a douche…
Yes, Mister Assassin’s Creed (first name Assassin, middle name ‘S, last name Creed) is indeed a douche.
what did you spect? me remembering his actual name? come on… ins not like I’ve sleeped with him or something!!
You only remember the names of individuals you have “sleeped” with?
So, in the last panel there – is Duke leaning to dodge Heavy Weapon Guy’s fist, or is he cringing away from HWG’s underarm body odor?
You go carry around a 150 kilogram minigun named Sasha loaded with BOOLETS for work and kill a bunch of scrawny cowards with bats and butterfly knives. I’m pretty sure that would give you a manly musk of blood and pure fury.
Mind you, he might just be leaning away from a fist the size of a 25 pound ham whizzing by his face as an large angry Russian proclaims his anger and distaste for cowards.
Also a manly musk of gunsmoke, a day at the range leaves you smelling of burning gunpowder even with a semi-auto. Now think about putting hundred to thousands of rounds through a minigun.
About your tablet and other expenses, have you considered merchandising? Cafe Press Mugs/shirts? Maybe approach the buyers for thinkgeek?
Get the ASUS Eee Tablet Pc. I have one, it’s perfect. It’s about $500 bucks though.
I’m a Mac person, so I don’t have windows licenses for all the software I use. But I just bought a 21 inch Cintiq, so I don’t really need a tablet PC anyway. I’ve worked on 12 and 21″ cintiqs before, and basically what they’ve taught me is that I personally wouldn’t pay for a screen smaller than 21″. Especially when it comes to animation, small screens just make it so slow to work on that sort of thing with all the windows for layers, tools, and properties you need to constantly access.
Lobo is here. All is right with the world.
I have definitely turned down dates for D&D… though to be fair they were dates that I wasn’t particularly keen on in the first place.
Also? Eff yeah rogues!
And Jared was worried about being a nerd.
As my buddies who roll th’ dice say, you can be as much of a huge fucking nerd as you want, you just don’t have to act like one.
Rolls before Hos.
Best comic going.
I once was witness to a D&D game where one of my mates manged to rip a staircase out of the groud and proceeded to wail on a big ass spider many levels higher than the rest of the group. Needless to say the DM was flabbergasted.
Duke can totally rep as a monk. Every time I RP as him I have him bust out the nunchucks if enemies get too close.
These guys are in desperate need of an Iron Heroes Campaign >_>
I don’t know if it’s just me, but I think Matrix from ReBoot would fit really well in this series. XD
I still think that Duke should roll a bard. His rendition of Born to Be Wild is nothing short of spectacular.
Monk/Bard multiclass?
In terms of easy merch, if you every put out a black t-shirt with the art from this wallpaper I’d buy one in a flash. Time saved by not having to draw anything new, hopefully? Setting up printing could take time, but there are always sites like Zazzle for a ‘quick and dirty’ job?
Another option might be to offer a bonus wallpaper/comic in return for Donations on the site? Or just pimp the donate button more – plenty of people read and love the comic, I’m sure many of them would be happy to contribute what they can to help out. I think I’ll do it right after posting this :)
Ah that one would definitely need to be redrawn, the picture is too lo-res to make a shirt out of, I could barely stretch a desktop out of it. That and I’m not totally sure I’m allowed to sell something with a gyarados on it…
Well, I will check on that. I will come to you with some reports and shit on what you can get away with using.
Please don’t shit on the merch :[
OH YOU. But no really I did some QUESTIONING to lawyers and some GOOGLING.
I think we may be able to.
I must admit I overlooked the copyright angle when making my original comment, but thinking about it now I’m sure I’ve seen Pokemon on webcomic merch before…*goes digging* Not sure if this is legal but VG Cats Merch has several Pokemon (and other videogame) characters featured: http://sharkrobot.com/vg-cats
Reminds me incredibly much about this thread:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/11956946
It’s about a GM running a game for a bunch of bikers.
Oh my… I read all of this and I love you for posting. I really need to get back to /tg/ some time…
The manliest D&D will soon commence as soon as the Heavy stops ranting :D
A bit late, but I can imagine Mr. Fish writing “Jared” on his character sheet. XD
Heavy probably hates rogues because they remind him of Spies. And Heavy HATES Spies.
I’m actually betting Duke is totally playing a really twinked-out Conjurer or Factotum, based on the look on his face.
Maybe, if Commander’s very lucky, he can convince the Heavy to play a Cleric. Those guy are basically impossible to not break a game with.
Men opening doors for women = long lost art of Manliness.
Hey.
We miss you back in the t-dot. I hope all is well in your new country.
If you wanted to ship your tablet back to Toronto I could solder it back together for ya. It sounds like it’s just plastic/metal fatigue from you using it so much.
I’ve repaired Terri’s laptop charger a couple of times and…you know… built that car-thing in my living room. It should be a cinch.
~Dustin
I was wondering when Heavy would appear.
I did not expect it to be D+D, though.
Duke seems to be rather indiferent….
Ha! I always felt kind of bad for playing D&D, but since the internet declares that is is manly I can rest easy. I always play Paladin and fighter anyway. Getting the urge to play right now actually…
I just had an idea for one of the characters. Remember the guy from DOOM? He’s pretty manly and badass. I mean, what with surviving the Apocalypse on both Earth AND Mars while carrying the infamous BFG…
In the comments I’ve read, nobody ever mentions Monks. Up until level 5 they can be kicked down a flight of stairs and die but after that they get some pretty unbelievable talents.
This sounds like a bunch in need of the Iron Heroes rules.
http://fierydragon.com/dragonsbreath/?p=504
I know you’ll almost definitely never see this comment, what with the billions of ones above it, but…have you thought about signing on to topatoco? Its a seriously awesome merch store for all the incredible web comic artists like yourself ;)
I dont know how one would go about joining, or what fees they take or whatever, but methinks it would definitely be good to at least look into http://topatoco.com/hey/
I see all of my comments :P
Topatoco is a possibility, but they are very exclusive and choosy in who they allow in (for good reason) I’ll probably put in an application or something with them, but I wouldn’t be surprised if I were turned down. They typically deal in long-running comics with proven sales records, I’m running just short of a year and I haven’t even tried merchandising yet.
There’s always http://www.cafepress.com I don’t know much about t-shirt printing, but I thought I’d give a suggestion.
well, i think youd fit in perfectly at topatoco, so i hope you make the cut!
Kheheh. I was actually part of a D&D group that was entirely Fighters and Barbarians until I came in and decided to be a bard {Yeah I was the only girl for a bit}. Then the DM had to convince one of the guys to be a Cleric it was a very interesting conversation but it made me enjoy this comic quite a bit more. {And I love it anyway.}
They should see if Snake wants to play.
This definitely made my day in ways I did not realize were possible.
Apologies for the hollyweird-rage last time; you have more than amply redeemed yourself.
You spelled “underground” wrong :)
Heavy is bard.
And there was much rejoicing.
long way down to scroll from way up there
and there I thought Lobo would at least be a Warrior/Barbarian-Bard mix
you know. with that radio in his head. Which only plays fukken metal all day 24/7.
Eight months later and this comic makes me very very happy. \m/ Barbarians for e-var! \m/
Hats off to the Commander, I would NOT want to DM for that bunch. But an all melee grunts all the time game? I would run that game in a heartbeat. Grawr melee smash!
Keep in mind I am already in love with jareds hat (replying to description)
Sorry, Sten. Spellcasters FTW on my part. Don’t like? Leave Anders and Alistair with me, while you go play “Hide the Armor” with the male Warden. :/
Holy Hilter nipple farts it’s LOBO!!@@#
Holy crap. From now on, I’m going to refer to my D&D sessions as “throwing dice”!
And yeah, that’s what you get when you only have a group of really manly men to play with.
I wonder if the gentlemen would have been offended if Miss Jones had joined them as a wizard/rogue/bard/whatever…
As soon as I saw a dice reference I knew it would be D&D. I feel smart, and am off to do a happy dance.
Surprised Heavy or Lobo does t want to be a Gunmage. Considering their….affection with weaponry,it makes sense.
Heh. A few folks have mentioned pathfinder over the years here, but as they have continued to expand their options, you can now get an entire party — sorta! — that would fit the qualifications of MANLY. There are numerous options in addition to these, and unfortunately, I couldn’t find anyone who could take arcane spells up to L9, but even if we’re just going for Barbaric/Has Rageness, we have at a minimum:
Barbarian – put the Heavy here. Poor guy deserves it given what he puts up with.
Bloodrager – Barbarian with a Sorcerer Bloodline. Mostly about the smashing things, but gets several supernatural powers and limited arcane spellcasting. See if you can bribe Lobo into playing with this one, given that he can theoretically regenerate from a single drop of blood. It’s thin, but Lobo has been … convinced.. by thin mechanisms before.
Cleric with the Rage subdomain of Destruction — Gets the ability to RAGE as time goes on– and the Ferocity subdomain of Strength. See if you can convince Sten to take this one by letting him Cleric a philosophy, for two reasons; first, because he’s the one most likely to be sensible about the whole issue and second, because it keeps him away from the Inquisitor class.
Skald – Barbarian/Bard. Put Duke here and mention “the ladies,” and the effects of charisma. Honestly, given his performance recently, he deserves the old school bard, but the Paizo Bard, let alone the Skald, is fairly awesome.
Bam. BarbaraParty!
I knew it! Girls don’t drop by now and then with cookies without ulterior motives!
I feel compelled to mention the All Guardsman Party here, Nifty little ongoing story about a bunch of grunts suddenly shunted from the front line to the inquisition due to the majority of their company dying.
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/All_Guardsmen_Party
Here, a nifty guide to get you started.
I know this is years late, forgive me for just finding this wonderful gem of a comic strip. However i have to say, its probbaly best that she THINKS he is going to do underground gambling. I mean D&D? what a nerd!(also its what i would totally mean if those words came out of my mouth)
Anyway loving this damn comic. cant wait to finish off the archive.
As a rogue in a D&D party with a barbarian that does nothing but cause trouble for the rest of the party and be a bother
I take serious offense to the rogue are cowards comment O_O
not really though, but my impression of barbarians in tabletop games is sadly poorly colored due to the asshat in my party
On the other hand, a team of bards can face anything, and is hilarious to play. Tried it with 5 bards, best d&d campaign I ever played :)